Maybe it's because I'm on a mobile device or I'm from France but I'm told I can't read the article unless I register on ft.com.
Does anybody have a link that might work better ?
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You are essentially subject to all manner of ridiculous punishment for what would be considered minor or non-offenses in most free countries Like vandalism and petty theft. And just look at how successful those "free countries" have been in addressing those categories of crime! What you call "ridiculous" is simply what you have been conditioned to think, no more. Elsewhere in the world it might be called "effective…
Fascism is very effective. It's about values and freedom. If you don't care about that, safety is easy.
Corporal punishment of petty crimes == fascism. Is that your thesis?
I believe you to be quite misinformed in your understanding of fascism, freedom, and everything else. As far as I can see, the only "freedom" on offer in the society you hint at is the freedom to not be punished effectively for your crimes.
Please, Americans: if you have to mention the word "freedom" in your argument then you are probably talking shit. Think about it.
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#13Wow... that is beyond weird. From what I've read I always thought Singapore was quite the corrupt-free police state.
I do not think it possible to have a corrupt-free police state.
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#14Getting chills while reading the article. Another reason why ZTE and Huawei shouldn't be allowed near US telecom infrastructure. Sure not proven guilty in court but the association is too weird.
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#15Maybe it's because I'm on a mobile device or I'm from France but I'm told I can't read the article unless I register on ft.com. Does anybody have a link that might work better ?
http://pastebin.com/s2th4i04
I know this is poor, please check this out on the real site when you can.
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#16This story is all over my FB wall. Rest assured there are many concerned Singaporeans listening, and it'll be harder to ignore this case now that the FT has brought it to the world's attention. I'd like to hear the IME and police's side of the story, though - hopefully a higher body will conduct a proper investigation to settle the facts and determine motives.
We rarely get serious cases of cover-ups being exposed, so if this is the real deal, it'll be a very interesting one, especially if it concerns foreign governments.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2007/100537.htm You get caned if you overstay your 90 days.
And? How does that have any bearing on the story at hand whatsoever? As an entrepreneur who has seriously considered moving to singapore in the past I am much more interested in what can happen when you do obey their (quite reasonable) laws.
I think we all know if you're in asia stay as legal as possible. I'm just saying don't make an exception for Singapore.
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#18Families of the suicidal always blame everyone else.
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#19Meyi
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fascism is very effective. It's about values and freedom. If you don't care about that, safety is easy.
Corporal punishment of petty crimes == fascism. Is that your thesis? I believe you to be quite misinformed in your understanding of fascism, freedom, and everything else. As far as I can see, the only "freedom" on offer in the society you hint at is the freedom to not be punished effectively for your crimes. Please, Americans: if you have to mention the word "freedom" in your argument then you are probably talking sh…
I was hoping after editing this reply like 5 times, you were going to come up with something here...
So you only address the punishment issue, but you don't say a thing about the sham elections. And yes, I'd prefer to step in gum once a year than have some 20 year old kid get beaten because they didn't conform to my narrow societal goals.
This is the difference between the west and the east. It is a chasm in philosophy that will never be bridged.