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Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

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Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

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Post by jmduke »

dholowiski wrote: post #24
kunai wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even read the review? This isn't related AT ALL to the old OS7 Bold or any other Blackberry line, which were awful. BB10 can do much more than an iPhone and be just as productive while providing a rich media experience.

Brand new OS, brand new hardware, what could possibly go wrong? Last time they did this (Playbook - new hardware, new OS) it was a gigantic hit, right?

So if a company ever messes up then they're doomed to endlessly flounder?

Hey, you remember the Apple Lisa?

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

#32

Post by songgao »

sjwright wrote: post #23
scrabble wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who used to work for BlackBerry, this was always the stated direction for BB10. Whether or not that's changed in the last few months, I can't say, but while I was there the intention was always to release in the US last to work the kinks out.

Hello, this is the rest of the world. We don't want your buggy untested crap.

It's not about bugs. I believe it's more for testing the market, and helping learn about how people would react to the product.

Microsoft sometimes release products in New Zealand earlier than the rest of the world, because New Zealand is small, and unlike european countries that are closely connected to each other, it's relatively independent to the rest of the world, which makes it a good place to pilot test products. My friend there is pretty happy for always being able to try newest products.

It really can be a good thing. You get to hand on it first. And if BB find it going well in the rest of the world, they'll probably raise the price when releasing it in the US.

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

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Post by eksith »

dholowiski wrote: post #24
kunai wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even read the review? This isn't related AT ALL to the old OS7 Bold or any other Blackberry line, which were awful. BB10 can do much more than an iPhone and be just as productive while providing a rich media experience.

Brand new OS, brand new hardware, what could possibly go wrong? Last time they did this (Playbook - new hardware, new OS) it was a gigantic hit, right?

I got the Playbook (2 actually, one for my mom) and it's actually pretty good. Considering how much cheaper it was to the Nexus, I don't mind the purchase and for what we really use it for (chat, YouTube, email etc...) it's pretty good.

The AppWorld isn't the barren wasteland of shoddy apps it once was either. I think they're slowly starting to attract decent developers.

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

#34

Post by brown9-2 »

kunai wrote: post #14
manishsharan wrote: post #11

I am not falling for BB again ! In my last iteration of smartphone purchase, I bought a latest-at-the-time Iphone 3GS for my wife and the latest-at-the-time Blackberry Bold. Since then I have watched in envy as my wife could get so much done on her phone than I could on my BB. My BB never did much beyond email and BBM ( I love BBM ) In this iteration, I recently placed an order for Nexus 4 and a Iphone 5. maybe if th…

Did you even read the review? This isn't related AT ALL to the old OS7 Bold or any other Blackberry line, which were awful. BB10 can do much more than an iPhone and be just as productive while providing a rich media experience.

I interpret "I have watched in envy as my wife could get so much done on her phone" as regarding how many apps are available for one phone and how few were available for his Blackberry.

It's great if the phone at launch has all sorts of modern features, but this same sort of device/feature envy will exist if Blackberry can't attract significant developer attention.

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

#35

Post by freehunter »

jmduke wrote: post #31
dholowiski wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brand new OS, brand new hardware, what could possibly go wrong? Last time they did this (Playbook - new hardware, new OS) it was a gigantic hit, right?

So if a company ever messes up then they're doomed to endlessly flounder? Hey, you remember the Apple Lisa?

You've just described how many on HN view Windows Phone. It doesn't matter how good it is, remember how bad it used to be?

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

#36

Post by thematt »

jmduke wrote: post #31
dholowiski wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brand new OS, brand new hardware, what could possibly go wrong? Last time they did this (Playbook - new hardware, new OS) it was a gigantic hit, right?

So if a company ever messes up then they're doomed to endlessly flounder? Hey, you remember the Apple Lisa?

They're not doomed, but consumers are certainly right to look at them with more skepticism before dropping hundreds of dollar on their product.

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

#37

Post by KeyBoardG »

I was put off just in the new BBM, where some options were hidden under the left swipe menu, other the right swipe menu and yet more under the top swipe menu. Not to mention options hidden under the button bar at the bottom. I don't want to spend my time looking all over in apps for an action. They need to set strict guidelines on where things go.

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

#38

Post by shawn-butler »

rcb wrote: post #22

Does anyone know if BB has the ability to push OS updates direct to customer handsets? Years ago such updates required carrier "approval"/intervention, which meant updates occurred infrequently (usually after significant delay), if ever. Edit: US carriers, specifically AT&T.

Nope. [0] However, on unlocked phones you can load whatever image will work.

[0] http://us.blackberry.com/support/apps-and-software/desktop-a...

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

#39

Post by purephase »

KeyBoardG wrote: post #37

I was put off just in the new BBM, where some options were hidden under the left swipe menu, other the right swipe menu and yet more under the top swipe menu. Not to mention options hidden under the button bar at the bottom. I don't want to spend my time looking all over in apps for an action. They need to set strict guidelines on where things go.

I sat down with a handset a few months ago with a QA guy at BlackBerry and had basically the same feedback for them. Apparently, it is something they're working on. I haven't seen the OS since launch so I don't know if this was addressed, at all.

They're hardly alone in this regard. iOS/Android suffers from the same problem.

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

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Post by kunai »

brown9-2 wrote: post #34
kunai wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even read the review? This isn't related AT ALL to the old OS7 Bold or any other Blackberry line, which were awful. BB10 can do much more than an iPhone and be just as productive while providing a rich media experience.

I interpret "I have watched in envy as my wife could get so much done on her phone" as regarding how many apps are available for one phone and how few were available for his Blackberry. It's great if the phone at launch has all sorts of modern features, but this same sort of device/feature envy will exist if Blackberry can't attract significant developer attention.

Well, if the incentive is there (I haven't researched much into the SDK yet), I'll develop for BB10. I really see the potential here and how this OS can really make an impact on the mobile landscape. I hope other developers will share the same sentiment after using the phone itself... Really, what isn't to love about it, judging from the reviews? It's a great platform and I'm planning to buy one as soon as it's released.

I think other developers will see the value in BB10 as well and create apps for it. We all know the big companies like Rovio, Facebook, Amazon, and Mojang will obviously at one time or another port their apps to work with BB10, but if we can get the smaller, part-time developers on this bandwagon, we have a very viable contender here.

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