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Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by nobleach »

3amOpsGuy wrote: post #361
pretoriusB wrote: post #248

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> The flip side is, for long term adoption, it pretty much has to open source itself. Really? I don't see IntelliJ Idea suffering much from NOT being Open Source. Or even TextMate for that matter, which still has friends even while being mediocre at launch and 7 years late to show any improvement. > TextMate was suffering from not being open sourced, and hadn't shown any improvement in 7 years. So he open sourced it,…

>> Really? I don't see IntelliJ Idea suffering much from NOT being Open Source Yeah definitely. Idea & Visual Studio (among others) are top quality products, and yet both nothing more than a chapter 11 filing away from being vague memories. Contrast adoption of Idea vs Eclipse. Consider when Windows is no longer relevant, VS will necessarily degenerate to being a niche product (even though it is arguably one of the f…

Every Idea product I've used, with the exception of Rubymine 3.0, has been top notch. PHPStorm, ReSharper and IntelliJ are great. Some times there are benefits to having a small closed source, private paid team of professionals writing software. Some times it's beneficial to opening it up to the whole world and saying "what do you want to see added?"

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by 3amOpsGuy »

nobleach wrote: post #371
3amOpsGuy wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Really? I don't see IntelliJ Idea suffering much from NOT being Open Source Yeah definitely. Idea & Visual Studio (among others) are top quality products, and yet both nothing more than a chapter 11 filing away from being vague memories. Contrast adoption of Idea vs Eclipse. Consider when Windows is no longer relevant, VS will necessarily degenerate to being a niche product (even though it is arguably one of the f…

Every Idea product I've used, with the exception of Rubymine 3.0, has been top notch. PHPStorm, ReSharper and IntelliJ are great. Some times there are benefits to having a small closed source, private paid team of professionals writing software. Some times it's beneficial to opening it up to the whole world and saying "what do you want to see added?"

I don't think anyone's disputing the quality of the products, Idea's ItelliJ, Microsoft's Visual Studio, ST2 - they're all quality software.

I just wanted to pick a bone with something you said though:

>> Some times there are benefits to having a small closed source, private paid team of professionals writing software

This is a comment about development methodology - the Cathedral and the Bazaar. Take out the words "closed source" (e.g. think Chromium browser) which have no baring on your statement, and then i agree.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by radiac »

bradgessler wrote: post #360
radiac wrote: post #175

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It's not a direct and honest way of asking people to pay for Sublime Text - it's an indirect way of asking people to continue to pay for something they thought they'd already bought. I paid for Sublime Text 2 with the expectation of continued support of the quality we had during beta, but instead we have waited months for bug fixes which have never arrived. ST2 was essentially abandoned after it left beta, and now we…

I'd rather Jon ask for more money by ticking the version up and cranking out stuff than let the editor fester like TextMate 2. That's what I view as honest, "I'm going to work on ST3 to convince you that its worth buying." I haven't faced the same quality issues you speak of. TM2 has been rock solid for me. The only thing that never felt right was the theme (install Soda) and icon (Yuck, reminds me of Comic Sans)

I'm not saying that he should keep pumping out new features for ST2 - it's totally fair to draw a line under it on the day it leaves beta and say "no more features". My complaint is that he took ST2 out of beta while people were still complaining about bugs, and has subsequently only issued one bugfix release.

As both a user and a developer, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect paid software to get support and bugfixes for a while - at least until the next version leaves beta. "Pay an extra 50% and maybe I'll fix the bugs" doesn't seem fair.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by pretoriusB »

rayiner wrote: post #319
pretoriusB wrote: post #245

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> If ST becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with ST, especially those coming from a vim/emacs background. And it makes ST another bloody Open Source project, designed by a community, to fall by the wayside and stagnate like Gnome, Emacs, Vim etc...

I'd imagine there are way more Emacs/Vim users than SublimeText users or even Textmate users at it's peak.

Sure. The stagnation part was about becoming too slow to move forward.

For example, with all it's lisp scripting capabilities and 30+ year history, Emacs is an early nineties editor UI, UX and codebase wise.

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