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Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by 3amOpsGuy »

pretoriusB wrote: post #248
3amOpsGuy wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still can't see how on purely financial terms, open sourcing ST becomes a better outcome than keeping it closed source. The open source avenue (awesome as it would be) is effectively stopping any future income for releases. That means finding an alternative business model for the developer to sustain himself. Sounds like a lot of risk and hassle, if i were the developer, why should i expose myself to that? The flip…

> The flip side is, for long term adoption, it pretty much has to open source itself. Really? I don't see IntelliJ Idea suffering much from NOT being Open Source. Or even TextMate for that matter, which still has friends even while being mediocre at launch and 7 years late to show any improvement. > TextMate was suffering from not being open sourced, and hadn't shown any improvement in 7 years. So he open sourced it,…

>> Really? I don't see IntelliJ Idea suffering much from NOT being Open Source

Yeah definitely. Idea & Visual Studio (among others) are top quality products, and yet both nothing more than a chapter 11 filing away from being vague memories.

Contrast adoption of Idea vs Eclipse.

Consider when Windows is no longer relevant, VS will necessarily degenerate to being a niche product (even though it is arguably one of the finest IDEs available at any price today).

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by Uchikoma »

dmix wrote: post #336
scott_s wrote: post #334

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It's mean.

I've been building my own products for years. Burnout is a fact of life. Sure if you built something people loved, theres ton of pressure to follow up with something just as good. But it's biology. People get bored, exhausted or uninspired with their projects. At the end of the day he made a ton of money and built something thousands of people use everyday. That should be more important than having a good sequel. The…

Downplaying burnout of mixing burnouts with boredom, or exhaustion gives the wrong impression. Most people that think they had some kind of burnout if they are not motivated or exhausted is plain wrong.

If you had serious depression going with your exhaustion at least, you might have had burn out.

The trivialization of burnout is damaging to the victims of burnout.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by Uchikoma »

jibsen wrote: post #357
gknoy wrote: post #315

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I felt this way about Ultra-Edit32 for a long time on Windows. I bought in college, and I believe it had a "... and future upgrades are automatically free" clause. It made me have a LOT of faith that this would be a useful and awesome product, and I was a happy user for many years. (In a sense, I bought it twice, as I asked my employer to buy it for me later.) As a prospective user of Sublime Text (3, now), it's inte…

If you subscribe to versioning schemes like for instance semantic versioning [1], then the major version number must be incremented "if any backwards incompatible changes are introduced to the public API". In that sense, the change from Python 2 to 3 could warrant it. [1] http://semver.org/

I think the ST author subscribes to the "you need to pay money if I upgrade the major version number"

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by Uchikoma »

PeterisP wrote: post #321
nkozyra wrote: post #233

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I'm not sure "I waste money in even more ridiculous ways" is necessarily a good defense.

I'm not sure why you go from "provides even less value" to "that 'even less value' < $30". A $30/month SaaS app is usually paid for because it saves/brings value of $100+ per month to your tasks. A good editor easily brings more value to a developer.

Does it compared to VIM? Or compared to what? Edlin? cat "myline" >> MyFile.py ?

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by nkozyra »

PeterisP wrote: post #321
nkozyra wrote: post #233

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I'm not sure "I waste money in even more ridiculous ways" is necessarily a good defense.

I'm not sure why you go from "provides even less value" to "that 'even less value' < $30". A $30/month SaaS app is usually paid for because it saves/brings value of $100+ per month to your tasks. A good editor easily brings more value to a developer.

Actually my comment there ignored "value" altogether, really. The value is irrelevant.

My point is you can't quantify the value or justify the cost in this way. Surely, a $40,000 Ford Taurus provides more value than the $100,000 broken bike, but that doesn't mean the Ford Taurus is priced appropriately for needs.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by c10n »

SCdF wrote: post #149

I'm not near a computer at the moment, can any body tell me how the performance is with very large files (>20mb) compared to the previous releases? If there was one thing that disappointed me about ST2 it was that it wasn't very competent with massive log files and the like. ATM I use an ide for Java, ST2 for nearly everything else (other languages, random text) and less / vi / others for logs and other massive files…

Upvote here: http://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/98149-use-memory-mappe...

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by edanm »

martinced wrote: post #346
edanm wrote: post #177

Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay the ST developer to make ST open-source. If ST becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with ST, especially those coming from a vim/emacs background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well.

First I'll point out that I'm open-minded and I'll try ST seen that so many people say good things about it. However I'm not sure that's one of the biggest issue from people coming from a vim/emacs background. I'm using Emacs because there is more than one million line of elisp code in Emacs and all its mode and there's no way anything is going to offer anywhere near close what Emacs has to offer. Just an example: yo…

Hi martinced,

In general, ST is pretty easy to write plugins for, as its got a simple API and everything is in Python. It was so much easier that even I wrote plugins for it, back in the days of ST1. I've since written some vimscript, and, let's just say, it's nicer to use a "true" programming language like Python than vimscript.

Here's what I think you should focus on with ST: Multiple Cursors. I've been beating the Multiple Cursors drum for a while, but a vast number of things can be done with them, and they're amazing. Many macros in emacs/vim can be done using Multiple Cursors, with the advantage that they usually work right the first time, and if you make mistakes, you get instant visual feedback so you can fix your mistake, instead of "record and pray" the way you do with vim/emacs.

Seriously, Multiple Cursors are ST's killer feature, in my eyes.

And for everything else, ST simply does all the things you want an editor to do well, and it does them beautifully, easily, and by default.

If we do a vim/ST comparison, I'd say ST wins the "I just want to install something and get to work" battle (easily), vim wins the "I can be amazingly productive with the actual text editing" battle, but ST wins the "I want to do cool manipulations to lots of similar text" because of Multiple Cursors.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by dmix »

Uchikoma wrote: post #362
dmix wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been building my own products for years. Burnout is a fact of life. Sure if you built something people loved, theres ton of pressure to follow up with something just as good. But it's biology. People get bored, exhausted or uninspired with their projects. At the end of the day he made a ton of money and built something thousands of people use everyday. That should be more important than having a good sequel. The…

Downplaying burnout of mixing burnouts with boredom, or exhaustion gives the wrong impression. Most people that think they had some kind of burnout if they are not motivated or exhausted is plain wrong. If you had serious depression going with your exhaustion at least, you might have had burn out. The trivialization of burnout is damaging to the victims of burnout.

Thats what I'm saying. You shouldn't have be a victim of burnout.

Burnout a temporary state (by nature) brought on by legitimate causes.

If it was depression, then that is a separate issue with plenty of it's own clinical treatments and reasoning.

You can't deal with burnout by suppressing everyone who brings it up.

It has to be accepted. He has to accept that there are fans of Textmate who are disappointed while being able to appreciate that he accomplished something really great regardless.

He accepted he can't finish the project and open sourced it, which was also a very nice gesture and made the fans quite happy.

There will always be people who are ignorant to the effects of burnout and try to make fun of failed projects. But that doesn't mean it has to be damaging to the project creators.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by akmiller »

shanelja wrote: post #207
grundprinzip wrote: post #200

I personally find the 70$ price tag rather high for a text editor. However, this is not my main issue For this premium price I do not only expect features but as well documentation and if you are a plugin developer the current ST2 documentation is just plain bad because it misses too much. In addition, even though ST2 is highly configurable nowhere are all the options explained that you can use and manually set. I fi…

I couldn't agree more, I'm not a wealthy person and while $70 might be chump change to some users, to me that would represent a large amount of money - I couldn't justify to myself to spend it, I would love to be able to pay like $25 or $30 because I would probably be okay with that. I just don't see the differences between the two being enough to justify me spending that amount of money, especially not when I'm doin…

If you are already paid user of ST2 then ST3 will only cost you 30.00.
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