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Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

#171

Version 3 is probably where I get off the ST upgrade train and just settle for version 2/3 beta. I like ST, and it serves my needs well enough, but I already paid $59 for this software and that's enough for a text editor. Paying yet another $30 isn't worth it for me, especially when I didn't ask for these upgrades.

Oh, is it not 'buy once, free upgrades for life'?

That's a little disappointing, still, I'm happy with the money I paid for ST 2.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

#172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm a Sublime Text 2 owner, but the continued lack of a Linux/ARM build nor any announced plans for the same mean I won't be upgrading. Damn! There goes the whole of the Linux/ARM community!

Linux/ARM is bigger than iphone, apple, and dell combined. Android. It's sitting on a desk near you.

Sounds like a perfect business opportunity. Offer the author, say $50,000/year in exchange for being allowed to port and support the editor on Linux/ARM and take all the licensing profits from there. You only need to sell a few $79 licenses compared to the number of Android devices there.

A complex resource-hungry IDE is just what the Android platform has been missing.

While you're at it, add Common Lisp support. That is literally the #1 request on the announcement.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

#173
post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not yet. I started prepping for the port to Python 3 a bit ago at https://github.com/wbond/sublime_package_control/tree/split_... , but the actual Python 3 changes are still in progress and not pushed (for the sake of not spoiling Jon's surprise).

Has there been any talk about merging Package Control into the app out of the box for v3? When I tell people how much I love ST2, Package Control is definitely responsible for some of that love.

http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/package_control/say_thanks

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

#174
I really like ST, it is the first text editor that I use for more than 1 year in a row.

But 70 Dollars is really expensive in my point of view. I'm not sure if I'll upgrade to version 3 (paying upgrade).

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

#175

Are these changes really worth the "3.0" tag? Goto to symbol is great, but all other bullet points taste like what I expected 2 to have once it left beta (basically, speed and not letting plugins crash my session). Isn't this a clever way to make users buy into a paid upgrade for a stable version of an editor they already bought?

I wouldn't argue that its "clever". Its a direct and honest way of asking people to pay for Sublime Text. I'm happy to pay Jon as long as he keeps cranking out fast, high-quality software. Think of it as a subscription where you still own the software if you want to get out of it.

It's not a direct and honest way of asking people to pay for Sublime Text - it's an indirect way of asking people to continue to pay for something they thought they'd already bought.

I paid for Sublime Text 2 with the expectation of continued support of the quality we had during beta, but instead we have waited months for bug fixes which have never arrived. ST2 was essentially abandoned after it left beta, and now we find our money hasn't gone into supporting the product we paid for, it's gone into funding the next one.

As a developer I know this makes excellent business sense, but as a user it feels like I've been tricked. The changelist looks more like a point release, but one we have to pay another 50% for in the hope our bug reports will eventually be acknowledged. Given the past 6 months I have no confidence that'll happen.

Perhaps I'm being unfair - after all, I use ST2 all the time, and I've certainly got my money's worth out of it, even with the bugs - but something about this just doesn't feel right.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

#176
post #171

Version 3 is probably where I get off the ST upgrade train and just settle for version 2/3 beta. I like ST, and it serves my needs well enough, but I already paid $59 for this software and that's enough for a text editor. Paying yet another $30 isn't worth it for me, especially when I didn't ask for these upgrades.

Oh, is it not 'buy once, free upgrades for life'? That's a little disappointing, still, I'm happy with the money I paid for ST 2.

It's been "buy it once, free updates until I say otherwise" for the last 3 or 4 years (I bought in the ST1 days).

I feel it's very appropriate to ask for some more money at this stage, ST has been through a lot.

Plus, I'd happily pay a lot more money for many of the features I'd want ST to have.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

#177
Here's what I'd love someone to organize:

A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay the ST developer to make ST open-source.

If ST becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with ST, especially those coming from a vim/emacs background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

#178
post #177

Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay the ST developer to make ST open-source. If ST becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with ST, especially those coming from a vim/emacs background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well.

Here's what I'd love someone to organize:

A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay Microsoft to make Windows open-source.

If Windows becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with Windows, especially those coming from a Linux background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

#179
post #97
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I am disappointed to see that Vintage mode hasn't really been touched at all for this edition. It's what is holding myself (and likely others) back from switching away from Vim. Unfortunately, development of Vintage mode seems to have stopped (the repository hasn't changed for about six months).

As someone who only used IDE debuggers all his (short) programming career, I was wondering, how do you debug without a visual debugger? I've seen how GDB works, and debugging this way seems much less productive. You don't see your whole source code, and you don't constantly see the values of watched or local variables, etc... Is there a different debugger you use for this task when developing using only a text editor…

I found that I wrote much better code once I ditched the IDE debugger, and stopped writing enterprise code... Perhaps the latter outweighs the former in terms of impact.

Firing up GDB for those rare segfaults which I don't immediately know the cause of (the last 2 lines I wrote, usually) gives me a stack trace very quickly, and lets me dump the values of the variables in that frame. I rarely need more. That wasn't the case back in my enterprise days.

GDB is very powerful, check out its integration with emacs for example (not something I've used).

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

#180

Version 3 is probably where I get off the ST upgrade train and just settle for version 2/3 beta. I like ST, and it serves my needs well enough, but I already paid $59 for this software and that's enough for a text editor. Paying yet another $30 isn't worth it for me, especially when I didn't ask for these upgrades.

> I already paid $59 for this software and that's enough for a text editor

This only makes sense if: (a) I guess you're not a software developer, so you don't actually "make money" from the productivity increases of a text-editor good for you? or (b) you plan to switch to some other editor that's open-source (emacs? vim?) or (c) you're and IDE guy and rarely use a "simple" text editor.

Please mention your use case before saying "that's enough for a text editor", because for most that's really pocket change compared to what others pay for other services or software licenses (think designers!).

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