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Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by dnos »

Jare wrote: post #204
SCdF wrote: post #149

I'm not near a computer at the moment, can any body tell me how the performance is with very large files (>20mb) compared to the previous releases? If there was one thing that disappointed me about ST2 it was that it wasn't very competent with massive log files and the like. ATM I use an ide for Java, ST2 for nearly everything else (other languages, random text) and less / vi / others for logs and other massive files…

Sadly, in the announcement comments, John says this: "How well large files are supported is mostly a function of the syntax definition being used. Sublime Text 3 does have performance improvements compared to Sublime Text 2 here, but not significantly so." Big disappointment for a lot of us.

Yes, I am very disappointed. I cannot comprehend how the handling of large files hasn't been addressed yet. I really hope at least there is a setting for toggling the syntax on/off based on file size, if nothing else. I mean seriously, DOS' EDIT.EXE is better than Sublime Text in this regard. It almost makes me want to punch a wall or something, all because of a text editor.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by scott_s »

fusiongyro wrote: post #348
scott_s wrote: post #343

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Let me use language that will perhaps resonate with people here more: doing this makes you a bully. People do take things personally. This isn't constructive criticism we're talking about. It's not even a criticism of the product itself. It's making fun of someone for getting burnt out.

I hate that I turn every debate into "it depends on where you draw the line" but it really does. There is a continuum between my-first-open-source-project and Apple. It would be absurd to suggest to someone that they shouldn't make fun of Windows 8 because Steve Ballmer might get his feelings hurt. It would also be absurd to suggest that every kid who proudly uploads his/her first program to github deserves to be sla…

Odd. I consider it common decency, not "walking on eggshells."

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by fusiongyro »

scott_s wrote: post #352
fusiongyro wrote: post #348

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I hate that I turn every debate into "it depends on where you draw the line" but it really does. There is a continuum between my-first-open-source-project and Apple. It would be absurd to suggest to someone that they shouldn't make fun of Windows 8 because Steve Ballmer might get his feelings hurt. It would also be absurd to suggest that every kid who proudly uploads his/her first program to github deserves to be sla…

Odd. I consider it common decency, not "walking on eggshells."

He called it abandonware. He didn't say "fuck you." He didn't say "he's a shit developer." He called the program abandonware. Have a sense of perspective already. Frankly, I'd find it insulting if you were defending me from the tiniest barbs like this. Onlookers couldn't help but conclude I'd be knocked over and bruised by a warm breeze.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by skybrian »

pretoriusB wrote: post #248
3amOpsGuy wrote: post #243

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I still can't see how on purely financial terms, open sourcing ST becomes a better outcome than keeping it closed source. The open source avenue (awesome as it would be) is effectively stopping any future income for releases. That means finding an alternative business model for the developer to sustain himself. Sounds like a lot of risk and hassle, if i were the developer, why should i expose myself to that? The flip…

> The flip side is, for long term adoption, it pretty much has to open source itself. Really? I don't see IntelliJ Idea suffering much from NOT being Open Source. Or even TextMate for that matter, which still has friends even while being mediocre at launch and 7 years late to show any improvement. > TextMate was suffering from not being open sourced, and hadn't shown any improvement in 7 years. So he open sourced it,…

Not a gimmick. While it's true that a lot of interesting stuff isn't there, you can happily develop Android apps using IntelliJ CE. Also, having source is extremely useful for people writing IDE plugins; doing this before IntelliJ CE was quite painful.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by edanm »

pkulak wrote: post #304
shanelja wrote: post #205

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Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay The Government to make Everything Free. If Everything becomes free, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with The Government, especially those coming from a Poor background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well. Anything sounds ridiculous at scale

I think paying to open source SublimeText is a bit more ridiculous than paying the government. SublimeText is a license to print money at this point. It's the _default_ editor for just about every (non-bearded) engineer and costs $60 (soon, $70). The government, after all, is just a representation of its people. If the people want communism, then that's what happens.

"It's the _default_ editor for just about every (non-bearded) engineer and costs $60 (soon, $70)."

Without going into whether the open-sourcing is good or not, I'd just like to point out that you're wrong about this. I sincerely doubt that Sublime Text has more than, say, 5% marketshare in terms of what people are using. It gets a lot of talk on HN because we tend to a) know about new things and b) overly use Text Editors in favor of IDEs, but this is not reflective of the world at all.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by mixmastamyk »

I like ST and have tried it a few times and liked aspects, but it doesn't make it easy to get started. For example a proprietary editor in 2013 it should have a gui for prefs and color scheme implemented. Also, not certain I want a package manager just for my editor.

If it had gui options and supported apt or pip I'd be sold. Still sticking with geany or notepad++ for standard text editing tasks and the heavy-duty ones for more.

Edit: looks like it may be in debian, but not ubuntu w/o ppa.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by jibsen »

gknoy wrote: post #315
Silhouette wrote: post #301

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I paid for Sublime Text 2 with the expectation of continued support of the quality we had during beta, but instead we have waited months for bug fixes which have never arrived. Rationally, as a software guy, this seems somehow unfair. After all, even as it was launched and without any further changes, ST2 is a good product at a low price. But the reality is that I feel the same way as radiac. When I chose to spend re…

I felt this way about Ultra-Edit32 for a long time on Windows. I bought in college, and I believe it had a "... and future upgrades are automatically free" clause. It made me have a LOT of faith that this would be a useful and awesome product, and I was a happy user for many years. (In a sense, I bought it twice, as I asked my employer to buy it for me later.) As a prospective user of Sublime Text (3, now), it's inte…

If you subscribe to versioning schemes like for instance semantic versioning [1], then the major version number must be incremented "if any backwards incompatible changes are introduced to the public API". In that sense, the change from Python 2 to 3 could warrant it.

[1] http://semver.org/

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by kemayo »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #356

I like ST and have tried it a few times and liked aspects, but it doesn't make it easy to get started. For example a proprietary editor in 2013 it should have a gui for prefs and color scheme implemented. Also, not certain I want a package manager just for my editor. If it had gui options and supported apt or pip I'd be sold. Still sticking with geany or notepad++ for standard text editing tasks and the heavy-duty on…

The text-file preferences are part of its charm, though.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by bradgessler »

radiac wrote: post #175
bradgessler wrote: post #71

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I wouldn't argue that its "clever". Its a direct and honest way of asking people to pay for Sublime Text. I'm happy to pay Jon as long as he keeps cranking out fast, high-quality software. Think of it as a subscription where you still own the software if you want to get out of it.

It's not a direct and honest way of asking people to pay for Sublime Text - it's an indirect way of asking people to continue to pay for something they thought they'd already bought. I paid for Sublime Text 2 with the expectation of continued support of the quality we had during beta, but instead we have waited months for bug fixes which have never arrived. ST2 was essentially abandoned after it left beta, and now we…

I'd rather Jon ask for more money by ticking the version up and cranking out stuff than let the editor fester like TextMate 2.

That's what I view as honest, "I'm going to work on ST3 to convince you that its worth buying."

I haven't faced the same quality issues you speak of. TM2 has been rock solid for me. The only thing that never felt right was the theme (install Soda) and icon (Yuck, reminds me of Comic Sans)

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