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Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by dkuntz2 »

shanelja wrote: post #299
dkuntz2 wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called true socialism. It's a perfectly viable political system, provided it's correctly setup.

Unfortunately, it's for the most part flawed as the correct setup you mention requires the human element to behave itself to maintain balance.

I know. Hence the lack of true, pure socialist countries in the world today.

It also requires a post-scarcity economy. Which, supposedly we could achieve if we worked towards it, but again, that human thing keeps us from doing that.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by xaa »

toast76 wrote: post #106
SquareWheel wrote: post #95

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I bought it when Sublime Text 2 came out of Beta, which wasn't all that long ago, was it? As somebody that very rarely buys tools, it's hard not to feel a little incensed.

It's $30. What sort of development are you doing that isn't worth $30 for the single tool that allows you to do it? I can't imagine carpenters are incensed when Ryobi brings out a new $300 drill. You either buy the new drill, or you keep the old one. Nobody expects new hardware for free, why software?

> Nobody expects new hardware for free, why software?

Try Googling "Richard Stallman".

Or simply reflect upon the fact that > 95% of the software used by the author of ST to create it was free to him.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by scott_s »

dmix wrote: post #340
scott_s wrote: post #337

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None of that has any bearing on whether or not we should make his unhappiness the butt of our jokes.

If he doesn't take it personally, as he shouldn't, then it doesn't matter. The best quote I've read on the subject was that if people care enough to complain about your product, that means you did something right.

Let me use language that will perhaps resonate with people here more: doing this makes you a bully.

People do take things personally. This isn't constructive criticism we're talking about. It's not even a criticism of the product itself. It's making fun of someone for getting burnt out.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by wmboy »

pkulak wrote: post #304
shanelja wrote: post #205

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Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay The Government to make Everything Free. If Everything becomes free, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with The Government, especially those coming from a Poor background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well. Anything sounds ridiculous at scale

I think paying to open source SublimeText is a bit more ridiculous than paying the government. SublimeText is a license to print money at this point. It's the _default_ editor for just about every (non-bearded) engineer and costs $60 (soon, $70). The government, after all, is just a representation of its people. If the people want communism, then that's what happens.

I'm not trying to validate the Kickstarter idea, but thought I'd add that making it open source doesn't mean they would have to stop selling it.

WooThemes is an obvious example of a company that makes a heap of money selling open source software.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by martinced »

edanm wrote: post #177

Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay the ST developer to make ST open-source. If ST becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with ST, especially those coming from a vim/emacs background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well.

First I'll point out that I'm open-minded and I'll try ST seen that so many people say good things about it.

However I'm not sure that's one of the biggest issue from people coming from a vim/emacs background.

I'm using Emacs because there is more than one million line of elisp code in Emacs and all its mode and there's no way anything is going to offer anywhere near close what Emacs has to offer.

Just an example: you can search and replace on a regexp and use friggin' Lisp substitution in the replacement. Say I've got this:

foo = 1 bar = 2 ... = . // 96 more lines come here baz = 99

I'm not saying it would be good style or anything to have "code" like that, but if I want to replace it with

foo = 5 bar = 10 ... = . // 96 more lines come here baz = 495

Well.. This is trivial under Emacs. And it's not trivial because that particular use case has been thought of previously: it's trivial because search and replace can use Lisp substitution, which is wild.

There are too many to names but I'm regularly using, under Emacs: real-time validation of XML files using Relax NG, ace-jump-mode, paredit (sweeter than sweet), magit, org-mode, etc.

But, most importantly, instead of having to adapt myself to the "text editor", I can adapt the text editor to myself.

Is ST3 as extensible as Emacs?

How complicated would it be to, say, implement the equivalent of vim's easymotion / emacs' ace-jump-mode to ST3? I'm not asking if someone did it: I'm asking how "complicated" it is for one to be able to adapt his too the way he needs.

I'll try ST, to see what the fuss is about...

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by charlieok »

bpierre wrote: post #253
AngryParsley wrote: post #161

I see ST3 bundles its own version of Python 3.3 on all platforms. ST2 did this on Linux and Windows, and it was quite annoying. In ST2, the ssl module is broken on Linux and the select module is completely missing on Windows. (See http://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/50801-bundle-python-ss... and http://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/149231-include-pythons... ) I started to port one of my plugins to Sublime Text 3 b…

“It's like TextMate, but cross-platform and not abandonware. ” This is no longer true since Textmate 2 has been open sourced. Textmate 2 is now very active, it is common to see a release every few days. See the changelog [1], or the activity of Allan Odgaard on GitHub [2]. [1] https://github.com/textmate/textmate/blob/master/Application... [2] https://github.com/sorbits?tab=activity

Odd, then, that if you visit http://macromates.com/ you'll see that you can purchase Textmate 1.5 (or download a 30 day trial), and no mention or link to Textmate 2 or its home on Github.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by fusiongyro »

scott_s wrote: post #343
dmix wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he doesn't take it personally, as he shouldn't, then it doesn't matter. The best quote I've read on the subject was that if people care enough to complain about your product, that means you did something right.

Let me use language that will perhaps resonate with people here more: doing this makes you a bully. People do take things personally. This isn't constructive criticism we're talking about. It's not even a criticism of the product itself. It's making fun of someone for getting burnt out.

I hate that I turn every debate into "it depends on where you draw the line" but it really does. There is a continuum between my-first-open-source-project and Apple. It would be absurd to suggest to someone that they shouldn't make fun of Windows 8 because Steve Ballmer might get his feelings hurt. It would also be absurd to suggest that every kid who proudly uploads his/her first program to github deserves to be slammed for its shortcomings. It's a continuum.

While I see your perspective, I think it's going to get pretty boring around here if we have to walk on eggshells for fear that somebody who probably isn't even paying attention might be offended at a jovial (if accurate) characterization of one of their shortcomings.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by DigitalJack »

tomlu wrote: post #65
DigitalJack wrote: post #43

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The vintage mode is excellent. It's the best emulation of vim that I've used. Sadly I can't run ST2 on our work machines as the RHEL version we use has a libc (glibc?) that is too old. I'm unable to host my own libc due to a binary format change that is incompatible with the system dynamic loader.

Which ones have you tried? Vintage mode is most impressive considering it's so small (code-wise), but I don't find it particularly good at even the basics (a lot of commands have subtle behavioural differences). It's better than IDEAVim, but certainly ViEmu and jVi are better. Maybe even Vrapper and XVim beat it too.

Vrapper for eclipse is a good one too. Mostly what I've tried is whatever people have put out for emacs. Viper or something like that.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by fusiongyro »

martinced wrote: post #346
edanm wrote: post #177

Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay the ST developer to make ST open-source. If ST becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with ST, especially those coming from a vim/emacs background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well.

First I'll point out that I'm open-minded and I'll try ST seen that so many people say good things about it. However I'm not sure that's one of the biggest issue from people coming from a vim/emacs background. I'm using Emacs because there is more than one million line of elisp code in Emacs and all its mode and there's no way anything is going to offer anywhere near close what Emacs has to offer. Just an example: yo…

The killer features that led me to TextMate and Sublime Text is that they open instantly and they render fonts nicely. I need the features you named a lot less than I need those two.
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