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Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by AngryParsley »

bpierre wrote: post #253
AngryParsley wrote: post #161

I see ST3 bundles its own version of Python 3.3 on all platforms. ST2 did this on Linux and Windows, and it was quite annoying. In ST2, the ssl module is broken on Linux and the select module is completely missing on Windows. (See http://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/50801-bundle-python-ss... and http://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/149231-include-pythons... ) I started to port one of my plugins to Sublime Text 3 b…

“It's like TextMate, but cross-platform and not abandonware. ” This is no longer true since Textmate 2 has been open sourced. Textmate 2 is now very active, it is common to see a release every few days. See the changelog [1], or the activity of Allan Odgaard on GitHub [2]. [1] https://github.com/textmate/textmate/blob/master/Application... [2] https://github.com/sorbits?tab=activity

I know. I was just poking some fun at TextMate. TM2 was delayed by what, 6 years? One can't not joke about that.

I actually use TextMate 1.5 more than I use Sublime Text. Unfortunately, TextMate 1.5 was never open-sourced and TextMate 2 broke plugins designed for 1.5. So for me, it is abandonware. :(

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by mnutt »

pretoriusB wrote: post #248
3amOpsGuy wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still can't see how on purely financial terms, open sourcing ST becomes a better outcome than keeping it closed source. The open source avenue (awesome as it would be) is effectively stopping any future income for releases. That means finding an alternative business model for the developer to sustain himself. Sounds like a lot of risk and hassle, if i were the developer, why should i expose myself to that? The flip…

> The flip side is, for long term adoption, it pretty much has to open source itself. Really? I don't see IntelliJ Idea suffering much from NOT being Open Source. Or even TextMate for that matter, which still has friends even while being mediocre at launch and 7 years late to show any improvement. > TextMate was suffering from not being open sourced, and hadn't shown any improvement in 7 years. So he open sourced it,…

TextMate was suffering from not being open sourced, and hadn't shown any improvement in 7 years. So he open sourced it, and it is now actively developed by the community.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by jaredmcateer »

akirk wrote: post #239
grundprinzip wrote: post #200

I personally find the 70$ price tag rather high for a text editor. However, this is not my main issue For this premium price I do not only expect features but as well documentation and if you are a plugin developer the current ST2 documentation is just plain bad because it misses too much. In addition, even though ST2 is highly configurable nowhere are all the options explained that you can use and manually set. I fi…

Did you once do a calculation of the price as to the percentage of the money it costs in relation to the money you generate using this tool?

The percentage is infinitely better with Vim and it has nearly everything I would want out of ST2 does short of the thumbnail browser.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by mdellabitta »

pretoriusB wrote: post #248
3amOpsGuy wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still can't see how on purely financial terms, open sourcing ST becomes a better outcome than keeping it closed source. The open source avenue (awesome as it would be) is effectively stopping any future income for releases. That means finding an alternative business model for the developer to sustain himself. Sounds like a lot of risk and hassle, if i were the developer, why should i expose myself to that? The flip…

> The flip side is, for long term adoption, it pretty much has to open source itself. Really? I don't see IntelliJ Idea suffering much from NOT being Open Source. Or even TextMate for that matter, which still has friends even while being mediocre at launch and 7 years late to show any improvement. > TextMate was suffering from not being open sourced, and hadn't shown any improvement in 7 years. So he open sourced it,…

IntelliJ CE has been open source for quite some time now.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by pretoriusB »

illumen wrote: post #130
pretoriusB wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm a Sublime Text 2 owner, but the continued lack of a Linux/ARM build nor any announced plans for the same mean I won't be upgrading. Damn! There goes the whole of the Linux/ARM community!

Linux/ARM is bigger than iphone, apple, and dell combined. Android. It's sitting on a desk near you.

>Linux/ARM is bigger than iphone, apple, and dell combined.Android. It's sitting on a desk near you.

Most Android devices are sold free with contract or with low tier phones to people who don't care much about smartphones. As for Android tablets, they don't sell that well, period. That's the huge majority of Android users. A minor one is geeks like us, open source fans, etc, that prefer it to iOS. (And that still leaves tons of geeks preferring iOS).

If you need any proof that the majority of Android users are not that technical, just check these "relative number of active devices": http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

Half a year later, only 10 percent have the latest release. And over 50% are two releases behind.

Neither the majority not the minority of Android users are much likely to buy a programmers' editor for their Android phone or tablet.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by coob »

illumen wrote: post #130
pretoriusB wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm a Sublime Text 2 owner, but the continued lack of a Linux/ARM build nor any announced plans for the same mean I won't be upgrading. Damn! There goes the whole of the Linux/ARM community!

Linux/ARM is bigger than iphone, apple, and dell combined. Android. It's sitting on a desk near you.

Linux/ARM is not an end user software platform.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by pooriaazimi »

tomlu wrote: post #121
dtf wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's noticeably missing from Vintage for you? I'm also Vim user who has considered jumping to Sublime several times, but never quite managed to achieve escape velocity. (Though I hadn't realised until now that the Vintage package is an open repository)

While a couple of things are missing, mostly it's that things don't work properly. Some random things off the top of my head: * No block cursor (the block cursor plugin doesn't really work) * When you switch between files, it keeps jumping back to insert mode, but you don't immediately notice (especially since there is no block cursor). There's a setting, but I've never been able to make it work. * Autocomplete and t…

Use this hack for a block cursor: https://github.com/netpro2k/SublimeBlockCursor

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by jlmendezbonini »

pretoriusB wrote: post #248
3amOpsGuy wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still can't see how on purely financial terms, open sourcing ST becomes a better outcome than keeping it closed source. The open source avenue (awesome as it would be) is effectively stopping any future income for releases. That means finding an alternative business model for the developer to sustain himself. Sounds like a lot of risk and hassle, if i were the developer, why should i expose myself to that? The flip…

> The flip side is, for long term adoption, it pretty much has to open source itself. Really? I don't see IntelliJ Idea suffering much from NOT being Open Source. Or even TextMate for that matter, which still has friends even while being mediocre at launch and 7 years late to show any improvement. > TextMate was suffering from not being open sourced, and hadn't shown any improvement in 7 years. So he open sourced it,…

bpierre wrote above: "This is no longer true since Textmate 2 has been open sourced. Textmate 2 is now very active, it is common to see a release every few days. See the changelog [1], or the activity of Allan Odgaard on GitHub [2]. [1] https://github.com/textmate/textmate/blob/master/Application.... [2] https://github.com/sorbits?tab=activity

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by [deleted] »

pretoriusB wrote: post #245
edanm wrote: post #177

Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay the ST developer to make ST open-source. If ST becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with ST, especially those coming from a vim/emacs background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well.

> If ST becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with ST, especially those coming from a vim/emacs background. And it makes ST another bloody Open Source project, designed by a community, to fall by the wayside and stagnate like Gnome, Emacs, Vim etc...

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Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by dbrian »

robryan wrote: post #62
hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #52

Are these changes really worth the "3.0" tag? Goto to symbol is great, but all other bullet points taste like what I expected 2 to have once it left beta (basically, speed and not letting plugins crash my session). Isn't this a clever way to make users buy into a paid upgrade for a stable version of an editor they already bought?

Even if it is, I am more than happy to put down another $30 for it. I get that much value from it daily.

I agree, but it looks like it's $70 now. :/

https://www.sublimetext.com/buy

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