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Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by astrodust »

anthonyb wrote: post #55
astrodust wrote: post #31

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The problem is not elitism , but that there is virtually only one "elite" brand and that is Apple. Sony at least gets points for trying. Everyone else is just flailing. This is an anomaly in any other industry, and many industries are the polar opposite. Can you imagine a world where there are hundreds of varieties of wine, but only several that are any good? Where you can pick between dozens of $2 bottles and severa…

> there is virtually only one "elite" brand and that is Apple Bzzt, thank you for playing. What sticks in my craw is that they're not even "elite", they just do things differently, and not always better than the competition/Android, even for things like UI. And if Apple are found to have done or said something stupid (Nexus 7 vs. the iPad mini springs to mind here, along with the early 'supercomputer' G4s being hamst…

I don't see how Motorola/Freescale and IBM having shifted focus from competitive consumer PowerPC chips to embedded applications reflects so badly on Apple. That platform remained competitive with Intel until the G5, which never hit its stride.

Apple learned from their mistake. They made a dramatic transition to Intel inside of a single year. The impact to consumers was nearly zero.

Compare this with Microsoft's recent efforts to switch to ARM.

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by revelation »

sbuk wrote: post #69
anthonyb wrote: post #22

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That doesn't seem to be 'rage' to me: Good to hear that an Android version is on the way but why have iOS devices been prioritised yet again by the BBC in the release of an app? I'm getting really annoyed about the BBC's obsession with Apple products that only account for around 20% of the UK market. Poor show BBC. For an organisation who are supposed to be platform neutral ..., there seems to be a steady and consist…

Actually read it. The guy is whining because they released iOS apps first, which is hardly surprising since there is essentially only two platforms to get right. It's very passive-aggressive, which is true of most posts like this.

We have read it. And the argument is a very substantial. If you are funded by pretty much every tax paying person, you have a duty to prioritize efforts that will benefit the majority, or ideally all, of these people. If you can't do two at a time, you have to pick the one with the majority of users.

As simple as that.

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by anthonyb »

astrodust wrote: post #81
anthonyb wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there is virtually only one "elite" brand and that is Apple Bzzt, thank you for playing. What sticks in my craw is that they're not even "elite", they just do things differently, and not always better than the competition/Android, even for things like UI. And if Apple are found to have done or said something stupid (Nexus 7 vs. the iPad mini springs to mind here, along with the early 'supercomputer' G4s being hamst…

I don't see how Motorola/Freescale and IBM having shifted focus from competitive consumer PowerPC chips to embedded applications reflects so badly on Apple. That platform remained competitive with Intel until the G5, which never hit its stride. Apple learned from their mistake. They made a dramatic transition to Intel inside of a single year. The impact to consumers was nearly zero. Compare this with Microsoft's rece…

This is nothing to do with the processor, or PowerPC vs. Intel, but the memory bus in early G4s being a limiting factor. The G4 was great in specific Photoshop benchmarks, but getting beaten in real world tests by 18 month old Pentium IIIs.

Of course, you'd never know that from the ads or commentary at the time (www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwI7xcdYV2k).

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by anthonyb »

sbuk wrote: post #80
sbuk wrote: post #73

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Nah. Android fans are worse. Take a look at sites like The Verge, Gizmodo, Engadget and the Register. I see the behaviour that you describe from Google fans far more of late.

Nicely exhibited by the down vote. Stay classy HN.

Everything that you've posted in this thread has been either missing the point or obvious partisan shilling for Apple. I'm not surprised that you're getting downvoted.

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by snogglethorpe »

CrazedGeek wrote: post #37
yareally wrote: post #25

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Average Android user I would be skeptical about, but ones that frequent the forums generally know their own devices fairly well (many are former iPhone owners at some point or switch back and forth). However, I would say that many of them also take cheapshots at Apple to defend their own positions better by claiming things that are absolutely not true (e.g. Android gets similar battery life with the same battery capa…

Small point: the "a 5+ inch phone is easy to hold" thing can absolutely be true. I haven't tried a Note 2, but I had a Note 1 for a little while and it wasn't hard to hold at all.

I hate the "biggur is better!1!" fad amongst phone manuf.s... (it seems a constant in every area... e.g. netbooks: started out nice and tiny, but slowly bloated up...)

Whenever I complain about this, my various acquaintances who have large phones tell me "it's really not as much of an issue as it might seem, just try it!" ... and then I try a bunch of large phones ... and they're super awkward... >[My hands are pretty average, neither small nor large.]

I hope Apple sticks by their guns on this issue, and I wish other manuf.s would at least try to offer a range of sizes instead of seemingly engaging in a race to offer the largest phones possible—and little else...

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by sbuk »

revelation wrote: post #82
sbuk wrote: post #69

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Actually read it. The guy is whining because they released iOS apps first, which is hardly surprising since there is essentially only two platforms to get right. It's very passive-aggressive, which is true of most posts like this.

We have read it. And the argument is a very substantial. If you are funded by pretty much every tax paying person, you have a duty to prioritize efforts that will benefit the majority, or ideally all, of these people. If you can't do two at a time, you have to pick the one with the majority of users. As simple as that.

"prioritize efforts that will benefit the majority" and the majority of the app using public (i.e. those that download and use apps, free or not) has been shown time and again to be the iOS community.

Simple as that.

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by sbuk »

anthonyb wrote: post #84
sbuk wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicely exhibited by the down vote. Stay classy HN.

Everything that you've posted in this thread has been either missing the point or obvious partisan shilling for Apple. I'm not surprised that you're getting downvoted.

So I speak out against the herd, and in your words "shill" for Apple and my "punishment' is a downvote? This is what Arment is alluding too. The over entitled open-sourcer, who feels that they have a right to everything, so long as it is on their terms. You are hardly by-partisan yourself, everything that you post is either pro-Google or Anti-Apple. What is your point?

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by anthonyb »

sbuk wrote: post #87
anthonyb wrote: post #84

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Everything that you've posted in this thread has been either missing the point or obvious partisan shilling for Apple. I'm not surprised that you're getting downvoted.

So I speak out against the herd, and in your words "shill" for Apple and my "punishment' is a downvote? This is what Arment is alluding too. The over entitled open-sourcer, who feels that they have a right to everything, so long as it is on their terms. You are hardly by-partisan yourself, everything that you post is either pro-Google or Anti-Apple. What is your point?

Perhaps this'll fall on deaf ears - we'll see.

To date I've found that HN is one of the easier places to speak out against "the herd"... but your comment has to follow logically from the parent, and you have to back it up with some sort of evidence or reason for people to believe you.

For example, your most recent comment, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5096081. The parent comment talks about Raspberry Pi, and how hackable and open it is, and how the iPhone is the opposite of this, which is why it's unpopular with hacker types.

Your response doesn't make sense for a number of reasons:

a) What bubble? Nobody is talking about bubbles. And who's "we"?

b) you said "Products like the iPhone are for consumers. That's everybody." Er, then who is Android for? There are lots of people who buy Android, and lots of them are consumers too. So this statement is obvious nonsense.

c) here you're arguing against a straw man. The "hackers" aren't pissed because lots of people are using iPhones, they're pissed because Apple lock their phone down and then play games trying to lock in more market share, and squeeze out more revenue from their developers and users. It's wise to remember that there's a long history of companies locking people into platforms or applications and then screwing them.

You're ignoring that part of the argument in favor of a different one, which is that some mythical "hackers" hate "normal" people (which is completely untrue - they just hate "stupid" people).

d) "Using iPhones" is not anywhere near "computing". Not even on the same continent, much less ballpark.

So - what would I have done differently in your position? Well, the obvious one is just to gracefully concede the point - the iPhone is a lot more locked down than a Raspberry Pi.

Assuming that you want to defend the iPhone on that front, you need to find ways in which the iPhone is also open. Hell, most people would settle for "ways in which the iPhone is more open than you thought". If you can find links to some of those, I'll upvote you :)

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by lokedhs »

mmastrac wrote: post #59
martythemaniak wrote: post #50

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>Apple’s products are opinionated. They say, “We know what’s best for you. Here it is. Oh, that thing you want to do? We won’t let you do that because it would suck. Trust us. If you don’t like it, there’s the door.” Problem is, Apple's acolytes won't leave you alone to go through the door - they'll follow you and keep telling you you're a wrong for wanting something different or thinking different (the irony is alwa…

In all fairness, he did call out Apple on the 4" screen being less-than-ideal: http://dcurt.is/4-inches/

He's still completely ignoring the fact that Apple in their infinite wisdom decided that you absolutely must use two hands to zoom (pinch).

That sort of defeats any argument that they designed the phone for one-handed use.

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by sbuk »

anthonyb wrote: post #75
sbuk wrote: post #69

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Actually read it. The guy is whining because they released iOS apps first, which is hardly surprising since there is essentially only two platforms to get right. It's very passive-aggressive, which is true of most posts like this.

> Actually read it. I am capable of reading, and have been for quite some time, thankyouverymuch. And it's still not rage , is it?

It passive-aggressive nerd rage and it typifies the the gross sense of entitlement many android devotees online.
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