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Google's Driverless Car Is Worth Trillions

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Re: Google's Driverless Car Is Worth Trillions

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I've been saying this to anyone who will listen for years. I really believe this technology will touch everything . Real estate markets will shift dramatically as the average commute time halves or quarters. Transport costs will plummet, making every single physical object cheaper. Public transit will be dirt cheap, always punctual, and take you absolutely anywhere. Tens of thousands of people each year will escape d…

You're missing one important factor - many people, me included, just like to drive cars and they don't treat them as "transport vehicle only". I would refuse to use a driverless car even if it would be more economic, more safe and would transport me faster.

That's what people said about the horse probably.

Re: Google's Driverless Car Is Worth Trillions

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I've been saying this to anyone who will listen for years. I really believe this technology will touch everything . Real estate markets will shift dramatically as the average commute time halves or quarters. Transport costs will plummet, making every single physical object cheaper. Public transit will be dirt cheap, always punctual, and take you absolutely anywhere. Tens of thousands of people each year will escape d…

You're missing one important factor - many people, me included, just like to drive cars and they don't treat them as "transport vehicle only". I would refuse to use a driverless car even if it would be more economic, more safe and would transport me faster.

Would you use an optionally driverless car? On long trips you could just take a nap, but you could have your fun driving any time.

However, at some point the safety factor may force you to stop driving. I wouldn't want you to be driving, when a machine could do it better.

Re: Google's Driverless Car Is Worth Trillions

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> Car companies will go broke when demand plummets. Just because it doesn't have a driver doesn't mean it doesn't need to be manufactured. Car companies will do fine. > Pizza delivery will not be an entrylevel job. Nope. But pizza making still will be. Sebastian, are you listening? > I think the net effect will be hugely positive You got that right. > but like all paradigm shifts this is going to cause immense social…

> Just because it doesn't have a driver doesn't mean it doesn't need to be manufactured. Car companies will do fine. No they won't; every > 1 car family will have 1 car only after this, because, when at work, you just send your car back on it's own for the wife and kids. Big reduction. If your neighbor has different hours than you have, you can combine that by sending the car back when you arrived. I think it'll have…

Under this scenario, no matter how efficiently navigated, traffic would actually increase. It might not be bad since half of the legs would be reverse commute, but still, drive-hours double.

Re: Google's Driverless Car Is Worth Trillions

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A lot of people here seem to have the blinders on about this. It's kind of funny. I've posted this before the last time this came up. Car companies have been working on this for a while, unless Google's offering is just light years ahead of the rest, no car company is going to pay a Google tax for this tech (and it's unlikely it will be any better than what they are already working on). https://news.ycombinator.com/i…

Every manufacturer is not going to have their own solution. The top few, sure. But it's a different story for the long tail. It can't possibly make sense for all the companies with 1% market share and no notable software knowledge to write their own systems, especially with all the likely regulatory hurdles. It wouldn't be good, and it wouldn't be cheap. There's clearly going to be a huge market for commodity solutio…

> Every manufacturer is not going to have their own solution. The top few, sure.

Wrong answer. The car companies that currently have their own projects:

Audi / BMW / Ford / GM / Honda / Hyundai / Lexus / Mercedes-Benz / Nissan / Porsche / Tesla / Toyota / Volkswagen / Volvo

And remind me again who would want to license technology from a company who has zero experience in delivering mission critical solutions.

Re: Google's Driverless Car Is Worth Trillions

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Still, I can't help but feel that maybe Google have the final piece of the puzzle. We've had computers and sensors powerful enough for decades, only Google have all of that maps data, polished again and again by android users using maps (and now Ingress) to make it more reliable. Google almost specialise at crunching massive data into useful products, and building reliable supersystems from millions of unreliable sub…

> We've had computers and sensors powerful enough for decades, only Google have all of that maps data, polished again and again by android users using maps (and now Ingress) to make it more reliable. Of what relevance is Google's map data (which they buy from vendors)? Google's map data doesn't tell the car if a pedestrian or another car or a fire hydrant is where it is about to go. The car has to figure that out all…

You don't quite understand the scale at which Google operates. What they're essentially doing is building a 3D model of the entire world, using their own data (did you think those Street View cars were just taking pretty pictures?). By comparing the real world against the model, they'll be instantly able to distinguish between the fire hydrant (which was there yesterday) and the pedestrian (who wasn't). No algorithm relying purely on real-time data will be able to compete.

Re: Google's Driverless Car Is Worth Trillions

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This assumes Google will have the market to itself. Cars aren't like search. It's not a winner-takes-all market.

Google's not selling cars. It's selling automotive technology that will soon become standard in cars.

Nobody is interested in Google's technology. They all have their own implementation:

Audi, BMW, Ford, GM, Honda, Hyundai, Lexus, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, Porsche, Tesla, Toyota, Volkswagen, Volvo

Re: Google's Driverless Car Is Worth Trillions

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Google's not selling cars. It's selling automotive technology that will soon become standard in cars.

The solution is much farther off than Google would like you to believe. As in, we'll be lucky if driverless cars become feasible before fusion becomes commercially viable.

Volvo is shipping a self-driving car in 2014.

It's not far off.

Re: Google's Driverless Car Is Worth Trillions

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The market is worth trillions... not Google's solution. One thing tech reporters seem to have failed at recognizing is that this research has been taking place at every major car company out there - many many others are legitimately in the race. Ultimately its the manufacturers that get to pull the trigger on how driverless cars will become driverless.

Still, I can't help but feel that maybe Google have the final piece of the puzzle. We've had computers and sensors powerful enough for decades, only Google have all of that maps data, polished again and again by android users using maps (and now Ingress) to make it more reliable. Google almost specialise at crunching massive data into useful products, and building reliable supersystems from millions of unreliable sub…

> only Google have all of that maps data

No they don't.

Google licenses the majority of its data from third parties. Or have you never seen a sat-nav system before ?

Re: Google's Driverless Car Is Worth Trillions

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You're missing one important factor - many people, me included, just like to drive cars and they don't treat them as "transport vehicle only". I would refuse to use a driverless car even if it would be more economic, more safe and would transport me faster.

Would you use an optionally driverless car? On long trips you could just take a nap, but you could have your fun driving any time. However, at some point the safety factor may force you to stop driving. I wouldn't want you to be driving, when a machine could do it better.

Many will not take such a rational approach to the safety issue. Every driverless car fatality will get huge press. No one I know has ever died in an airplane, but quite a few I know are afraid to fly.

Re: Google's Driverless Car Is Worth Trillions

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This will definitely exist, but not everybody will want to give up personalized cars. Too many people see their car as part of their identity. We have the tech right now for every workplace to have open seating and non-personalized computer workstations, and while some companies do this, most people still want their own desk space and personalized computer.

I think only freaks / hobbyists / throwbacks will end up owning cars. You don't have a personalised power station do you? Transport is just a means to an end. They'll be new and cheaper ways of signalling status with driverless cars, equivalent to 1st class travel on trains. Note that in Europe car ownership amongst the younger demographics is plunging. The novelty has worn off, no one can be arsed with them anymore.

Yeah especially in cities I see this happening really quickly; most of my friends in Amsterdam and Malaga don't see the need for cars at all. If you need to go far you have trains, planes, busses and rentals.
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