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Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by keppy »

rosser wrote: post #69
zeeg wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't necessarily choose it, I just don't go out of my way (like most people) to be nice. I would argue, that what makes me who I am (a driven, passionate person) also leads to traits like being honestly vocal about things. Whether the way these things are presented is directly related or not is a little bit different. If I see something I don't like, whether it's on the internet, at work, or just in general, I wil…

...and more importantly, people attempting to turn the situation into something it isnt. The only party I've seen so far actually trying to make this storm in a teacup into anything other than what it is — namely, people being assholes on the internet — is you, with your weak, if persistent, attempts to make it about gender. It's not, it never was, and I'm pretty sure you know that, so playing that card is cheap and…

People give me shit about code and no one cares because I'm like everyone else here--male and single :(

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by keppy »

MartinCron wrote: post #33
w3pm wrote: post #24

Why is this on the front page of HN? Anyone read http://corte.si/posts/socialmedia/trouble-with-social-news.h... ? Unfortunately, that article is spot-on. I want to be reading industry news, not someone's social gossip. Specifically, I want to read articles about optimizing Erlang, the latest developments in NoSQL databases, developer war stories, and changes in the funding landscape. I don't want to hear about someo…

It's on the front page of HN because this community cares about civility, online interactions, open source contributions, and gender issues in technology.

It's on the front page of HN because this community cares about civility, online interactions, open source contributions where gender is concerned.

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by blibble »

zeeg wrote: post #64
tunesmith wrote: post #60

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Why do you choose to not be a nice person (online)? Just curious. Also, I think the "If you don't like, ignore it. If you can't ignore it, then you won't survive," is self-serving advice. It'd be easier to take seriously if you were one of the nice people.

I don't necessarily choose it, I just don't go out of my way (like most people) to be nice. I would argue, that what makes me who I am (a driven, passionate person) also leads to traits like being honestly vocal about things. Whether the way these things are presented is directly related or not is a little bit different. If I see something I don't like, whether it's on the internet, at work, or just in general, I wil…

being driven and passionate, and having the social skills to be able criticise without upsetting people are not mutually exclusive.

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by blibble »

zeeg wrote: post #59

I was one of the people who made a comment about this. I'm not going to defend that I think attempting to replace sed/grep is a bad idea (especially not in 140 characters), but I will defend people's opinions. Everyone has one, most of them you won't agree with. Whether they're nice or not. I'm generally not a nice person, at least online, that's my choice. That said, especially with this being the internet, you have…

why is trying to replace sed/grep a bad idea?

for example: ack is really, really useful.

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by chris_wot »

rosser wrote: post #70
vinhboy wrote: post #68

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Yea, it's odd to me how much crap you three guys are getting for this. It's not like you guys criticized the person. You criticized code. My goodness. I wish someone would come and criticize my code. It would be a great learning experience.

This wasn't criticism. It was ridicule.

Agreed. He didn't write: "I think this is a bad solution", he wrote "Ever wanted to make sed or grep worse?". It's like zeeg can't see the sheer snark in the comment, like he believes that Heather was deliberately trying to make Unix worse. Which she wasn't.

Now he's surprised that he's been called out on it.

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by chris_wot »

fletchowns wrote: post #13

accidentally being an asshole Is it just me or does this blog post just make this guy look like an even bigger asshole?

Not really. He's said sorry, unreservedly. He's explained that he messed up, and that it really wasn't what he meant to say at all. I think that it's fair enough to disagree with something, just the way you say it is important.

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by chris_wot »

rjzzleep wrote: post #61
tunesmith wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you choose to not be a nice person (online)? Just curious. Also, I think the "If you don't like, ignore it. If you can't ignore it, then you won't survive," is self-serving advice. It'd be easier to take seriously if you were one of the nice people.

Why does it matter to you what some dude, somewhere in the globe thinks of you? Just curious.

Because he has a lot of followers, and is influential in his own way. In other words, he's not just "some dude".

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by daeken »

chris_wot wrote: post #78
rjzzleep wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it matter to you what some dude, somewhere in the globe thinks of you? Just curious.

Because he has a lot of followers, and is influential in his own way. In other words, he's not just "some dude".

In the words of Nick Hornby, "Some guy on the 'net thinks I suck, and he should know: he's got his own blog."

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by wpietri »

TallboyOne wrote: post #66
wpietri wrote: post #20

Being sorry that somebody else felt bad is the beginning of an apology. But it's not the end of one. You can't just say to yourself, "Well now I'll never make somebody feel bad again. Problem solved!" When you fuck up and hurt someone, people don't want just to hear about you feeling bad. That's making it about your pain instead of theirs. It's asking for people to pat you on the head and tell you it's all ok. That's…

In his defense he has apologized like 600 times on twitter so far. Im sure it was a genuine mistake just getting carried away in moment. Twitter makes that kind of easy I suppose.

Sure. But in those 600 times, is there evidence of him learning something? Contrast it with Corey Haines's apology, where he talked about how it violated his principles, that his specific mistake was forgetting that there are always people behind software. That's the sort of lesson-learning that I thought was missing from Steve Kalabnik's post.
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