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Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by rjzzleep »

tunesmith wrote: post #60
zeeg wrote: post #59

I was one of the people who made a comment about this. I'm not going to defend that I think attempting to replace sed/grep is a bad idea (especially not in 140 characters), but I will defend people's opinions. Everyone has one, most of them you won't agree with. Whether they're nice or not. I'm generally not a nice person, at least online, that's my choice. That said, especially with this being the internet, you have…

Why do you choose to not be a nice person (online)? Just curious. Also, I think the "If you don't like, ignore it. If you can't ignore it, then you won't survive," is self-serving advice. It'd be easier to take seriously if you were one of the nice people.

Why does it matter to you what some dude, somewhere in the globe thinks of you? Just curious.

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by rjzzleep »

zeeg wrote: post #59

I was one of the people who made a comment about this. I'm not going to defend that I think attempting to replace sed/grep is a bad idea (especially not in 140 characters), but I will defend people's opinions. Everyone has one, most of them you won't agree with. Whether they're nice or not. I'm generally not a nice person, at least online, that's my choice. That said, especially with this being the internet, you have…

at least someone has the balls to stick with his opinion. gender might actually be part of the issue. people are way more protective over women's feeling than they are over mens. is that reverse sexist or something?

I don't get why people immediately turn into:

a) a gender debate, and b) act as if programming is the only place where people have harsh opinions.

get over it. if someone on the internet somewhere on the other side of the world says something that you don't like, and you break into tears, you should be reexamining your sense of self-worth.

agitated? sure, why not. but, breaking into tears? really? I blame hollywood, and commercials(yes, seriously).

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by zeeg »

tunesmith wrote: post #60
zeeg wrote: post #59

I was one of the people who made a comment about this. I'm not going to defend that I think attempting to replace sed/grep is a bad idea (especially not in 140 characters), but I will defend people's opinions. Everyone has one, most of them you won't agree with. Whether they're nice or not. I'm generally not a nice person, at least online, that's my choice. That said, especially with this being the internet, you have…

Why do you choose to not be a nice person (online)? Just curious. Also, I think the "If you don't like, ignore it. If you can't ignore it, then you won't survive," is self-serving advice. It'd be easier to take seriously if you were one of the nice people.

I don't necessarily choose it, I just don't go out of my way (like most people) to be nice.

I would argue, that what makes me who I am (a driven, passionate person) also leads to traits like being honestly vocal about things. Whether the way these things are presented is directly related or not is a little bit different.

If I see something I don't like, whether it's on the internet, at work, or just in general, I will usually say I don't like it. Now Twitter doesn't make a great means of communication for things like this (e.g. you can really provide much insight, or realistically follow up), it does make it easy.

I would argue that people who are unwilling to give their opinion (and I know that there's many on both sides of everything, that are quiet), are simply forcing themselves into an uncomfortable situation.

Often you (or rather I) will deal with the results of your opinion, but for the freedom it offers, and the drive it gives me, I'll stick by it.

That said, I admire Heather for doing something, but I am rather unhappy that the result of this was a (IMO, unnecessary) blog post, a ton of ignorant comments on the internet, and more importantly, people attempting to turn the situation into something it isnt.

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by SeanDav »

To decide if we should give Steve the benefit of the doubt, look at his tweet/post history. If he does this often, he is an asshole, if not he is an accidental asshole, which is fine because it is so easy to get real intention completely wrong in even long emails let alone a tweet. Also anyone can have a bad day...

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by TallboyOne »

wpietri wrote: post #20

Being sorry that somebody else felt bad is the beginning of an apology. But it's not the end of one. You can't just say to yourself, "Well now I'll never make somebody feel bad again. Problem solved!" When you fuck up and hurt someone, people don't want just to hear about you feeling bad. That's making it about your pain instead of theirs. It's asking for people to pat you on the head and tell you it's all ok. That's…

In his defense he has apologized like 600 times on twitter so far. Im sure it was a genuine mistake just getting carried away in moment. Twitter makes that kind of easy I suppose.

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by logn »

zeeg wrote: post #59

I was one of the people who made a comment about this. I'm not going to defend that I think attempting to replace sed/grep is a bad idea (especially not in 140 characters), but I will defend people's opinions. Everyone has one, most of them you won't agree with. Whether they're nice or not. I'm generally not a nice person, at least online, that's my choice. That said, especially with this being the internet, you have…

I think the point was, she wasn't trying to replace sed/grep. She had a script which she wrote and got some benefit from and decided, why not, post it on github. That said, I'm glad at least someone stuck to their opinion. I don't see the problem in criticizing the utility of software. Sure, we should all be nice, but that doesn't mean we can't be critical. How many people defending her have left negative comments on Show HN posts?

Also, if you thought she made sed/grep worse, wait till you see my frankenstein: https://github.com/hollingsworthd/POSIXplorer

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by vinhboy »

zeeg wrote: post #59

I was one of the people who made a comment about this. I'm not going to defend that I think attempting to replace sed/grep is a bad idea (especially not in 140 characters), but I will defend people's opinions. Everyone has one, most of them you won't agree with. Whether they're nice or not. I'm generally not a nice person, at least online, that's my choice. That said, especially with this being the internet, you have…

Yea, it's odd to me how much crap you three guys are getting for this.

It's not like you guys criticized the person. You criticized code.

My goodness. I wish someone would come and criticize my code. It would be a great learning experience.

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by rosser »

zeeg wrote: post #64
tunesmith wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you choose to not be a nice person (online)? Just curious. Also, I think the "If you don't like, ignore it. If you can't ignore it, then you won't survive," is self-serving advice. It'd be easier to take seriously if you were one of the nice people.

I don't necessarily choose it, I just don't go out of my way (like most people) to be nice. I would argue, that what makes me who I am (a driven, passionate person) also leads to traits like being honestly vocal about things. Whether the way these things are presented is directly related or not is a little bit different. If I see something I don't like, whether it's on the internet, at work, or just in general, I wil…

...and more importantly, people attempting to turn the situation into something it isnt.

The only party I've seen so far actually trying to make this storm in a teacup into anything other than what it is — namely, people being assholes on the internet — is you, with your weak, if persistent, attempts to make it about gender. It's not, it never was, and I'm pretty sure you know that, so playing that card is cheap and dishonest, at best.

I'm no psychologist, but to my mind, that kind of behavior absolutely reeks of awareness that the thing you're trying to make be about something else wasn't kosher in the first place.

Re: Node, Twitter, and Apologies

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Post by rosser »

vinhboy wrote: post #68
zeeg wrote: post #59

I was one of the people who made a comment about this. I'm not going to defend that I think attempting to replace sed/grep is a bad idea (especially not in 140 characters), but I will defend people's opinions. Everyone has one, most of them you won't agree with. Whether they're nice or not. I'm generally not a nice person, at least online, that's my choice. That said, especially with this being the internet, you have…

Yea, it's odd to me how much crap you three guys are getting for this. It's not like you guys criticized the person. You criticized code. My goodness. I wish someone would come and criticize my code. It would be a great learning experience.

This wasn't criticism. It was ridicule.
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