If you don't like it, go suck on your mothers tit "Grandma's Boy!" There's nothing I hate more than a bunch of egotistical whiners who don't like other people playing in, what they "think" is, their sandbox. Who are these "unwanted people" you scour down your nose at? Are they the ones that, tisk-tisk, don't know as much as you do? Never forget where you came from; remember that you too were an IDIOT that didn't know anything at first. We're all at some level of idiocy, even you CPT. Kirk. Jeff Atwood brings a lot to the table and has a great blog that sparks great discussion. Here's an idea, if you don't like it, don't read it. Now I'll have to make it a point to come over to your sandbox and take a big 'ol dump in it, just because I can.
Poll: Ban Codinghorror?
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Re: Poll: Ban Codinghorror?
#52If you don't like it, go suck on your mothers tit "Grandma's Boy!" There's nothing I hate more than a bunch of egotistical whiners who don't like other people playing in, what they "think" is, their sandbox. Who are these "unwanted people" you scour down your nose at? Are they the ones that, tisk-tisk, don't know as much as you do? Never forget where you came from; remember that you too were an IDIOT that didn't know…
R.I.P. Hacker News
Re: Poll: Ban Codinghorror?
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
http://xkcd.com/386/
It's sad that I get sent that enough that I know which comic it is just by the URL :(
Funny you should say this. As I was pasting this link, I thought to myself: "This is a nice memorable number... I should just memorize this URL. It's not as if it will never come in handy again."
Re: Poll: Ban Codinghorror?
#54poll flawed. i need a "no don't ban it, but i'm tired of seeing codinghorror stories on news.yc" perhaps a better solution overall would be to implement some sort of restriction on submissions. if you submit from a single domain more than X number of times in the last Y submissions, you're disallowed from submitting from that domain for another Z submissions.
Agreed. Some of Coding Horror's material is certainly worthwhile. For example, I know I found out about the HttpOnly flag in cookies from him, and I'm pretty sure I've learned of some usability improvements from his articles as well. However, there are a lot of his articles that I don't think really belong on HN, but they end up here anyway. I'm actually a bit suspicious that the following may be happening: 1) Karma-…
Your points taken together sound like a strange equilibrium from game theory.
In effect those hypothetical karma-hungry users amount to a voting ring, but one that does not need to communicate --- or even realize that they are in a voting-ring: Members just notice that sometimes --- when they are by chance the first to submit --- they get a huge karma boost. And when they are not the first, they do not lose anything from supporting the other members.
Potential solution: Decouple. I.e. do not make submitting an automatic upvote for existing stories. Just forward to the existing item and let people upvote (or not) manually.
Re: Poll: Ban Codinghorror?
#55Let's not overreact to a few recent anti-YC posts from Jeff. Wait a month and see if you are still this angry. Also, banning a site for generally worthless content is one thing. Banning a site because they made some incorrect but interesting criticisms of Hacker News is another.
How can a criticism be interesting when it is incorrect?
Re: Poll: Ban Codinghorror?
#56``potentially bringing a new mass of users that will contribute very little to the website'' I guess that I'm one of those users. Is this community really that elitist?
No, just a pattern we go through whenever we get an influx of visitors. Then someone will be offended, and one of us will explain that there are a few curmudgeons here, but most are warm, lovable people. It's kind of a good cop, bad cop routine.
Re: Poll: Ban Codinghorror?
#57Let's not overreact to a few recent anti-YC posts from Jeff. Wait a month and see if you are still this angry. Also, banning a site for generally worthless content is one thing. Banning a site because they made some incorrect but interesting criticisms of Hacker News is another.
How can a criticism be interesting when it is incorrect?
Well, my comment was a criticism of the poll, and you thought it was incorrect. But you responded to me, so it was still interesting.
So that's a good example, if you disregard the paradox ;-)
Re: Poll: Ban Codinghorror?
#58I don't think this is a very good welcome for new users at all. I've found HN to generally be very welcoming. And as it has been said before, not everyone feels the same way as the OP.
Though a lot of users are worried about the culture on HN. Most users like this site because there is very little trolling, low noise, and informative posts. And a lot of users here consider other sites like digg and reddit to be less useful because of trolling and a high ratio of uninteresting to interesting posts. So they want HN to keep its culture and focus. That's why if a popular story is unrelated to tech or business, someone will probably complain that it doesn't belong on HN.
Most people who are concerned about quality on HN think growth can be ok, as long as it's slow enough that the all the new users can have time to learn the social norms of the site. And so if someone mentions it on a highly-trafficked website, some people get afraid that the user base will grow so fast that the new users won't have time to learn the social norms.Then HN will turn into another reddit or slashdot.
People started worrying about the culture of HN six months after it started, so almost everyone here came in at a time older users were complaining about growth.
Post welcoming new users:http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=459289
Here's a post on culture: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=465991
Re: Poll: Ban Codinghorror?
#59This is an extremely arrogant position to take and I'm amazed that more people aren't calling you out on it. Your reasons for this are:
1) he provided an honest critique of a site that he uses and respects (in an open format where he was clearly corrected)
2) directed users here as a place where they could find great content to hone their skills
Those hardly seem like valid reasons to ban his articles from your site.
"I'm not suggesting censoring it for anything in particular that he writes about, but because the articles are always such deliberate linkbait. In 99% of his articles, the most interesting thing is the title. But I don't want PG and the editors to be accused of censorship, so I thought I'd ask for opinions first."
If you honestly believe that this is true of codinghorror (I know you copied and pasted from pg's previous post on valleywag) then it would be good for you to provide some data to back this up. Point us to the articles that you think are "deliberate linkbait".
I think a little humility would do the hacker news community well.
Re: Poll: Ban Codinghorror?
#60"No, don't ban it" and "I like seeing Codinghorror stories on News.YC." don't have to go together. If you're going to ban one source that irritates some people, I'm sure a list can be prepared of other sources to ban. Here's a sample of authors/blogs to ban: 1. Guy Kawasaki 2. Seth Godin 3. TechCrunch 4. 37Signals 5. Joel the Fog Creek Guy They all can be seen as shameless self-marketing disguised as blogs or worthle…
Most you've listed are shameless self-marketing blogs that push remarkably poor self-acclaimed technical insights onto the programming populace, and propagating their work does learning developers a gross disservice.
Unfortunately, "Ban it, it causes brain rot" wasn't a poll option.