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Poll: Ban Codinghorror?

#1
I'm really against censorship, but this does not mean we are free to do whatever we want. I believe that people should know and practice self-restraint. Jeff Atwood, through his blog, has consistently failed to exercise such self-restraint.

I wouldn't mind ignoring his stories that show up here, but the recent posts where he

(a) criticizes the decisions that drive News.YC despite of being ignorant of how things work

(b) recommends news.YC to his subscriber base, potentially bringing a new mass of users that will contribute very little to the website

are close to being provocative. It does give a feeling that he is not happy to have his own blog, but feels like he needs to control every possible conversation channel.

I'm not suggesting censoring it for anything in particular that he writes about, but because the articles are always such deliberate linkbait. In 99% of his articles, the most interesting thing is the title. But I don't want PG and the editors to be accused of censorship, so I thought I'd ask for opinions first.

Re: Poll: Ban Codinghorror?

#2
poll flawed. i need a "no don't ban it, but i'm tired of seeing codinghorror stories on news.yc"

perhaps a better solution overall would be to implement some sort of restriction on submissions. if you submit from a single domain more than X number of times in the last Y submissions, you're disallowed from submitting from that domain for another Z submissions.

Re: Poll: Ban Codinghorror?

#3
"No, don't ban it" and "I like seeing Codinghorror stories on News.YC." don't have to go together.

If you're going to ban one source that irritates some people, I'm sure a list can be prepared of other sources to ban. Here's a sample of authors/blogs to ban:

1. Guy Kawasaki

2. Seth Godin

3. TechCrunch

4. 37Signals

5. Joel the Fog Creek Guy

They all can be seen as shameless self-marketing disguised as blogs or worthless regurgitations of tech news and gossip.

EDIT: to note one has been banned already.

Re: Poll: Ban Codinghorror?

#4
I don't agree with this.

Jeff's post had some thoughtful things to say about designing rules for communities. He's thinking a lot about what the rules should be for his community at stackoverflow, and comparing your rules to other people's rules is a good way to think about this kind of problem.

There certainly isn't one answer: there's an interaction between the rules and the actual bunch of people you have visiting a site.

Personally I'm losing interest in reddit, for instance, because articles about mainstream programming languages get downvoted immediately -- but articles about farting in Python or computing fibonacci functions recursively in an obscure LISP dialects get hundreds of votes.

As for attracting the "wrong" kind of people, I think you're taking the wrong angle. Atwood is trying to get more people to pay attention to stackoverflow -- if he's got any tactical aspirations towards hacker news, it would be using it as a way to promote his own ventures, as he's done with DZone and other programming sites.

Re: Poll: Ban Codinghorror?

#7
Jeff Atwood is only doing his job - promoting his blog and start-up. Doing a better job than most of us at that.

Sure he gets things wrong but so what? If we were afraid of getting things wrong we would never publish anything - and would probably also never learn anything new.

Re: Poll: Ban Codinghorror?

#8
post #7

Jeff Atwood is only doing his job - promoting his blog and start-up. Doing a better job than most of us at that. Sure he gets things wrong but so what? If we were afraid of getting things wrong we would never publish anything - and would probably also never learn anything new.

It's not the "getting things wrong" that bothers me. I don't mind at all seeing flawed, but honest attempts of writing.

What bothers me a lot is the whole attitude of shoot-first-ask-later. It causes excessive noise. He knows it, but he doesn't care, because it gets people talking about him.

He tries to control the conversation by saturating the channel, and the one filter that we have (the community itself) will go bust if we let the channel be saturated.

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