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Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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I have attempted suicide 13 times, and decided I would not go for a 14th time. This article is not accurate. When you are suicidal it is very hard to explain. You are miserable and in a lot of pain, you have negative racing thoughts about how terrible you are and what a horrible person you are etc and that the world would be better off without you, and you never really fit in, people just took advantage of you and ab…

Orion Blaster!

I don't want to reveal my K5 nick but I'm happy you're still around. :)

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

#42
post #23

Article describes classes of thoughts that causes suicidal tendencies. Which is good recreational read but practically useless. Then article self-derails in disfunctional, impractical advises (for the lack of having anything better), such as: "this information helps you to meta-cognitively puncture suicidal ideation" or: "scientific knowledge changes perspective. And perspective changes everything". This works all gr…

The floggings will continue until morale improves.

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Speaking as someone who __has been__ suicidal I've battled depression in the past, but I don't think I ever quite reached a suicidal state. The way I got out of my depression state, was to finally admit that I can't keep suffering in my current life situation anymore, and to get away from the things that were causing my anguish, anxiety, stress, and despair. I spent the next two months doing utterly nothing (well at…

I am not the person you replied to, just another sufferer. So, for me, depression feels very similar to what both darius and the original article were saying. It's like an erupting storm. It starts with something small -- some tiny failure which a normal person might say "okay, no biggie, I can deal with that." My problem was the multiplication. We have associative memories, and I as a depressed person immediately as…

Wow, these descriptions reflect my own experience exactly. The small failures that snowballed and became patterns.

I had been working at a large software company for several years. I was in kind of an oddball group, doing miscellaneous web development. For the most part, it was fun. The team became like a family for a time.

The constant re-orgs were stressful, though. That was like having to re-interview for my own job every ten months or so. I have done 3D graphics programming on my own time for about 20 years, and I always told myself that one day I would find a way to do that for a living. Setting up a very high expectation - kind of like wanting to be the lead guitarist in a band.

I tried to interview for any graphics job I could find, during my four years at the company. I never got an offer. Eventually, there were so many re-orgs, that most of my friend-co-workers had moved on to other teams. I decided to quit and work on a game, doing what I love. Technically, that went amazingly well. But from a design standpoint, it never quite gelled.

Then my relationship failed at the worst possible time. Then I exhausted my runway. I interviewed with goog and failed (more high expectations). I interviewed with a startup for a graphics position and it seemed to go very well!! But then baggage from that failed relationship, and doubt, stopped me from relocating during a critical window.

Then came crippling anxiety and horrible depression. My life seemed to go from amazing to over in only a few months. Friends grew distant and didn't know what to do for me. I couldn't face anybody. I stopped taking any calls. It felt like life was trying to tell me "Go home. You lost the privilege of playing with the grown-ups."

Sad to say, I am still "down in it". I had to move "back home," which is an isolated place. I haven't written much code in months. Despite having been a programmer for 20 years, I fear I won't be able to pass anymore technical interviews. Rationally, I know I am a very good and accomplished developer, and I know that everyone who has worked with me would say the same; but I'm extremely anxious about approaching the job search and the interviews anymore. One day I will find the motivation and the nerve to start over again.

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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I have attempted suicide 13 times, and decided I would not go for a 14th time. This article is not accurate. When you are suicidal it is very hard to explain. You are miserable and in a lot of pain, you have negative racing thoughts about how terrible you are and what a horrible person you are etc and that the world would be better off without you, and you never really fit in, people just took advantage of you and ab…

Orion Blaster! I don't want to reveal my K5 nick but I'm happy you're still around. :)

Thanks you must be one of the few K5 users who like me alive. Most told me to "kill yourself" when I posted a diary. I think it started a K5 trend to post "kill yourself" after a Blastar-like diary.

I am learning how to program all over again. I started with ANSI C and GCC and worked up to C++ with G++ in Unbuntu. Just small programs I'll move on to bigger stuff later.

Just hope I don't end up like MDC, I hear he's been 5150'ed again in California.

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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post #6

Speaking as someone who has been suicidal, I think that that article is a lot of hot air. This is what it felt like to be suicidal: Imagine the worst heartbreak you have ever felt, and multiply this by ten. Imagine the worst anxiety you have ever suffered and multiply this by ten. Imagine that every second feels like a minute, in each of those minute-long-seconds, you feel like a lion is just about to jump out from a…

Speaking as someone who has been suicidal and very nearly succeeded had someone not pulled me down, this article pretty much nails it. The strange part is, I can kind of get into my past self's head and replay all of my reasons, but from my current perspective they seem corrupted and perverse. I know that I was trying to escape from my own twisted feelings of guilt, but the whole episode seems almost surreal now; me…

> but from my current perspective they seem corrupted and perverse.

Thank you for sharing. I was wondering would it make a difference at all if someone else, (a friend, therapist, partner) would say how the current perspective is corrupted or warped. Would that make a difference? Would it help in that situation? If not, what does help, if anything to get out of that mode?

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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"So there you have it. It’s really not a pretty picture. But, again, I do hope that if you ever are unfortunate enough to experience these cognitive dynamics in your own mind—and I, for one, very much have—or if you suspect you’re seeing behaviors in others that indicate these thought patterns may be occurring, that this information helps you to meta-cognitively puncture suicidal ideation." I tend to think there's no…

> Werther effect

That is screwed up. Reading these comments and Aaron's death is pretty hard. I hope it really helps some by having a place to share and discuss but just reading and thinking about _it_ is dangerous. Can't explain it, it is messing me with head too.

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a problem with this theory: it hypothesizes a benefit to a group , but no benefit to the individual who commits suicide. Individuals who do not have the gene(s) that predispose toward committing suicide would therefore be more fit than individuals who do, and these gene(s) would never become widespread. I believe this was one of the main points of Dawkins' The Selfish Gene : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The…

Well if you sacrifice to save a group that also has the gene (e.g. extended family / tribe) it would work out.

Damn it, you can't just say that; there is math involved! On the one hand, you have the evolutionary cost to yourself: if you die, then you can't have any more children. On the other hand, you have the evolutionary benefit to your close kin: they have access to more resources with you gone. This benefit is weighted by how closely these other people are related to you. A rule of thumb is that you break even if you sacrifice your life to save the life of two siblings, four nephews/nieces, or eight cousins.

Do you really expect that a get-depressed-and-die instinct would reliably result in at least that much benefit to someone's close kin? If not, then you don't really expect such an instinct to evolve by kin selection.

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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I think this article is great, but what is better is the discussion in the comments.

From what I've seen we have supportive people who are curious, and people that have had darker days.

if you came here looking for something yourself, some glimpse of hope, just read the comments. Many people here suffered, and they found a way through it. You can too. Hang in there, you will get through it. Just keep fighting. Its worth it

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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post #43
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not the person you replied to, just another sufferer. So, for me, depression feels very similar to what both darius and the original article were saying. It's like an erupting storm. It starts with something small -- some tiny failure which a normal person might say "okay, no biggie, I can deal with that." My problem was the multiplication. We have associative memories, and I as a depressed person immediately as…

Wow, these descriptions reflect my own experience exactly. The small failures that snowballed and became patterns. I had been working at a large software company for several years. I was in kind of an oddball group, doing miscellaneous web development. For the most part, it was fun. The team became like a family for a time. The constant re-orgs were stressful, though. That was like having to re-interview for my own j…

The most important thing I learned about depression is that it snowballs in both directions. Big tasks and big goals loom even bigger in your head, especially when you spend all your time in your head, dwelling. Don't worry about those sorts of things right now. As long as the whole 'starting over' thing is a shadow in your head, it will stop you from taking the first step.

Focus on something small and achievable, and achieve it. Even if it's just goddamn FizzBuzz. Reverse a linked list, and messsage one old friend on facebook to have lunch. That's it. Just do something small. It cuts off the downward spiral, and establishes momentum in the right direction.

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