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Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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Speaking as someone who has been suicidal, I think that that article is a lot of hot air. This is what it felt like to be suicidal: Imagine the worst heartbreak you have ever felt, and multiply this by ten. Imagine the worst anxiety you have ever suffered and multiply this by ten. Imagine that every second feels like a minute, in each of those minute-long-seconds, you feel like a lion is just about to jump out from a…

It sounds like you're dealing with severe depression. I hope you're seeing someone you can talk to about these feelings. My email is alanctgardner@gmail.com if you do need someone to talk to.

I think he touches on a lot of the points you mentioned:

> every second feels like a minute

> you constantly obsess on what it was you did so wrong

> they felt you were a terrible disgrace

That sounds like deconstruction, negative affect, self-blame and 'falling short of standards'. It can be hard to quantify what you just instinctively feel by yourself. A lot of my time with my therapist is basically me rambling about an abstract feeling, and her relating and summing it up in one or two words. I think it helps me better understand what's going on, which can take some of the power away from the raw emotion.

Talking to someone about it is the best way to start getting better.

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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post #6

Speaking as someone who has been suicidal, I think that that article is a lot of hot air. This is what it felt like to be suicidal: Imagine the worst heartbreak you have ever felt, and multiply this by ten. Imagine the worst anxiety you have ever suffered and multiply this by ten. Imagine that every second feels like a minute, in each of those minute-long-seconds, you feel like a lion is just about to jump out from a…

I can't decide if I think you are exaggerating. I can't help but wonder, had my lowest moments been ten times worse, whether my body would have ceased to function right on the spot. I was pumped with the most adrenaline I've ever had in my life, and I was simultaneously the most depressed I had ever been in my life. I was bouncing off the walls with nervous energy, but all I wanted was to crawl into a hole. My chest…

The grandparent post is basing this off of what he imagines is a normal person's extremes. -- or perhaps the GP's own other experiences. I imagine your mileage will vary

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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> In considering people’s motivations for killing themselves, it is essential to recognize that most suicides are driven by a flash flood of strong emotions, not rational, philosophical thoughts in which the pros and cons are evaluated critically. That sounds very likely to me, but given my utter inexperience with suicidal thoughts or acquaintances, I'm wondering if there is any proper evidence corroborating it. What…

There are a few pieces of evidence that suggest long-term depression can impact neurogenesis, which could lead to altered cognition. I don't know if that's a prevalent theory, and as the author points out, it doesn't explain non-depressive suicides. I can, however, answer this anecdote with another anecdote. I've been dealing with suicidal thoughts for about 5 years, and at some points some very limited self-harm. On…

Aren't impulses like that relatively common? I can recall hundreds of times where I felt a sudden impulse like that since about the age of 10, all triggered by finding myself in a situation where something not normally dangerous presented a very real possibility of death. I always figured my brain was using that impulse to viscerally play out the consequences in my head so as to scare the living daylights out of me (e.g. when first getting used to traveling by subway having a sudden strong impulse to jump into the subway tracks, making me keep well away from the edge of the platform).

I always thought the difference between a suicidal person and a normal person was that a normal person would have those thoughts, but they would inspire great fear, where as a suicidal person would experience those thoughts and not experience the corresponding revulsion.

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a few pieces of evidence that suggest long-term depression can impact neurogenesis, which could lead to altered cognition. I don't know if that's a prevalent theory, and as the author points out, it doesn't explain non-depressive suicides. I can, however, answer this anecdote with another anecdote. I've been dealing with suicidal thoughts for about 5 years, and at some points some very limited self-harm. On…

Aren't impulses like that relatively common? I can recall hundreds of times where I felt a sudden impulse like that since about the age of 10, all triggered by finding myself in a situation where something not normally dangerous presented a very real possibility of death. I always figured my brain was using that impulse to viscerally play out the consequences in my head so as to scare the living daylights out of me (…

I describe it as scary, but that's looking back on it. At the time I visualized it, I committed to doing it, and I was starting to change direction before I realized what was even going on. It's difficult to convey, but it kind of fit with the description the author gives; for a time, that was 'the future'.

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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post #6

Speaking as someone who has been suicidal, I think that that article is a lot of hot air. This is what it felt like to be suicidal: Imagine the worst heartbreak you have ever felt, and multiply this by ten. Imagine the worst anxiety you have ever suffered and multiply this by ten. Imagine that every second feels like a minute, in each of those minute-long-seconds, you feel like a lion is just about to jump out from a…

>Speaking as someone who __has been__ suicidal I've battled depression in the past, but I don't think I ever quite reached a suicidal state. The way I got out of my depression state, was to finally admit that I can't keep suffering in my current life situation anymore, and to get away from the things that were causing my anguish, anxiety, stress, and despair. I spent the next two months doing utterly nothing (well at…

I am not the person you replied to, just another sufferer.

So, for me, depression feels very similar to what both darius and the original article were saying. It's like an erupting storm. It starts with something small -- some tiny failure which a normal person might say "okay, no biggie, I can deal with that." My problem was the multiplication. We have associative memories, and I as a depressed person immediately associated this failure with other recent failures, which associated with others, and others, until there was a deluge of connections. It feels like a literal suffocation by failure -- I mean it becomes hard to breathe and there is often an ache across my chest.

There was often a growing sense of paranoia -- that they would all find out. What they would all find out was not terribly clear, but it was something as simple as "I am useless" or "I'll never live up to any of their expectations." (If you've never suffered from depression you might even wonder why this is a bad thing -- but that sort of metanarrative doesn't happen when you're depressed because it's just obviously bad, it's rejection, and rejection is painful emotionally, and there is no reflection.)

And so each thing triggers other things, until I am just left with this deep feeling that I have failed as a human, like everyone else has this thing going for them and I simply do not, and my only normalcy comes from the lucky fact that most of them are not paying any attention to me, which is also sad in its own way.

I live a much less stressful life now, and that helps. I try not to commit myself to any futures -- I tell people that I don't make plans per se but only resolves, so that I am sure of the direction that I'm sailing, but not what I will find. That helps with avoiding that seed of failure from which the storm starts.

As for the storm itself, I've found that deep breathing does more good than you'd expect, because if you're focused on your breathing then you're not associating those thoughts so much; the thoughts still swim around your head but they don't breed new ones so much, and you can kind of quietly nod at them without indulging them. This gives me a better sense of the objects around me, which actually seem to totally disappear as I disappear into myself.

But sometimes, I will confess, I feel duty-bound to be honest to my younger self. And so sometimes when those seeds start, even these days when I can cope, I do just let them expand and expand until I cry myself to sleep. I feel oddly at home there, as if this is some permanent part of myself which I'm oddly glad I haven't lost. But because this is now a choice, and it's voluntary, I no longer feel suicidal during these periods -- just awful.

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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post #6

Speaking as someone who has been suicidal, I think that that article is a lot of hot air. This is what it felt like to be suicidal: Imagine the worst heartbreak you have ever felt, and multiply this by ten. Imagine the worst anxiety you have ever suffered and multiply this by ten. Imagine that every second feels like a minute, in each of those minute-long-seconds, you feel like a lion is just about to jump out from a…

It sounds like you're dealing with severe depression. I hope you're seeing someone you can talk to about these feelings. My email is alanctgardner@gmail.com if you do need someone to talk to. I think he touches on a lot of the points you mentioned: > every second feels like a minute > you constantly obsess on what it was you did so wrong > they felt you were a terrible disgrace That sounds like deconstruction, negati…

Fear not, I haven't felt like that in years. (But thanks for the offer of someone to talk to.)

I did talk to people at the time until I was blue in the face. That did not help either, except for the moments in which I was talking.

Only one thing helped break the vicious cycle: Remeron. I was better within a day, and I only had to take it for a month. Brain chemistry is a bitch!

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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>“The delusion consisted of the patient’s absolute conviction she was already dead and waiting to be buried, that she had no teeth or hair, and that her uterus was malformed.”

How did the researchers know this? Did the patient somehow believe she was dead but that she was still able to speak with the living?

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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post #6

Speaking as someone who has been suicidal, I think that that article is a lot of hot air. This is what it felt like to be suicidal: Imagine the worst heartbreak you have ever felt, and multiply this by ten. Imagine the worst anxiety you have ever suffered and multiply this by ten. Imagine that every second feels like a minute, in each of those minute-long-seconds, you feel like a lion is just about to jump out from a…

I can confirm this. Those days when I would just sit in the corner of my room staring at a blank wall for ... the whole day ... not fun. PS: I eventually got better and have remained such for years

I've also experienced this. I'd curl up on the shower floor and sit until I couldn't stand the now-cold water coming out of the shower head. I spent consecutive days close to catatonia, dragging myself into work, shutting the door, coming out eight hours later.

I don't think this fact has a lot of bearing on this article, though. I feel like these criticisms are just an unfortunate manifestation of HN's tendancy to be contrarian. They're not effective rebuttals; they're just "Wait, I have feelings, too!"

Furthermore, being sad/depressed/suicidal really shouldn't be a contest, and the way I experience isn't necessarily going to be the same as the way you experience it. This article articulates a lot of my own experience. I'm sorry/glad that it doesn't match your experience.

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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>“The delusion consisted of the patient’s absolute conviction she was already dead and waiting to be buried, that she had no teeth or hair, and that her uterus was malformed.” How did the researchers know this? Did the patient somehow believe she was dead but that she was still able to speak with the living?

I think there's a really tasteless joke to be made here about looking the study up on JSTOR. Anyways:

Abstract from scientists who published that study:

> Cotard's syndrome is a psychotic condition that includes delusion of a supernatural nature. Based on insights from recovered patients who were convinced of being immortal, we can (1) distinguish biographical experiences from cultural and evolutionary backgrounds; (2) show that cultural significance dominates biographical experiences; and (3) support Bering's view of a cognitive system dedicated to forming illusory representations of immortality.

http://philpapers.org/rec/COHPOS

Re: Being Suicidal: What it feels like to want to kill yourself

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The absolute best evocation I've yet found (and most beautifully written) on the feelings of depression is Darkness Visible by William Styron. [0]

What he describes may not be accurate for all instances of depression, but he certainly hits the nail on the head for many.

[0] http://www.amazon.com/Darkness-Visible-Madness-William-Styro...

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