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Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by jvc26 »

eduardordm wrote: post #52
ghshephard wrote: post #51

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I'm confused - if you opened a company, then there is obviously going to be a lot more paperwork/hoops to jump through than if you did this as an individual. Maybe I'm missing something here - why didn't you just publish the App as an individual?

My idea was to release an app every 3-5 months and make at least 60k/year. I cannot sell that much in Brazil as a individual (limit here is 36k BRL). Actually, it took me 8 days to open the company. At the first day I had the CNPJ (EIN in the US), so, in fact, it took me less than 24 hours to be able to accept payments. I don't see the app store as a viable way of making a living anymore (for single developers). I'll…

For 60k/yr paying a fee of even 1000 to get a DUNS number seems negligible ...

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by PGenes »

vtail wrote: post #32

Why this is even on the front page? Someone who doesn't have patience decides that selling apps for money is not for them. Fine. Entrepreneurship requires a lot of hard work and patience. You need to be resourceful.[1] Big news. 1: http://www.paulgraham.com/relres.html

The real mystery is why are there so many Apple fan boys in this thread?

The company's walled garden approach absolutely sucks. And there's nothing fashionable about saying so.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by sbuk »

eduardordm wrote: post #47
Foomandoonian wrote: post #44

I'm always sad when people treat open source as a dumping ground for abandoned/old/unprofitable projects. The rest of my sympathy went away when he misspelled 'substantial' and signed off with an all-caps 'GO TO HELL'. Classy. I'm probably just a snob.

You are not a snob. But, make no mistake, this is probably a profitable project. In fact, I was planning on making a living out it! I promise I'm not just dumping this I misspell a lot, sorry, english is not my first language (not even second, actually). Normally I use a spell checker, somehow that passed. Yep, the e-mail didn't end very well. My point was to try to convey rage to the reader (crazy guy punching compu…

In my opinion, your rage is misplaced and make you look as though you haven't thought things through at all. Do you really think it is just a case that writing an app will instantly lead to $$$?

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

#104

Post by sbuk »

bennyg wrote: post #78
dolphenstein wrote: post #77

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Already have a HN reader app. My browser.

I assume you take your desktop and monitor on the subway with you too, right? ;) I made it for me, then decided to hell with it, I'll submit it so others can read stories/comments too.

No, but my phone has a more than capable browser.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by krzyk »

eridius wrote: post #61
eduardordm wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My idea was to release an app every 3-5 months and make at least 60k/year. I cannot sell that much in Brazil as a individual (limit here is 36k BRL). Actually, it took me 8 days to open the company. At the first day I had the CNPJ (EIN in the US), so, in fact, it took me less than 24 hours to be able to accept payments. I don't see the app store as a viable way of making a living anymore (for single developers). I'll…

First off, you actually have a limit on how much an individual developer can make? That sounds crazy. Secondly, I don't understand your anger at Apple. They don't control DUNS numbers. It's not their fault that you're having a problem getting one.

> First off, you actually have a limit on how much an individual developer can make? That sounds crazy.

Yes crazy, but that's how governments work. Here in Poland you there is a problem with this also. Most of the time you have to register a company to be able to do anything that is not "working for someone else". E.g. when you put AdSense on your webpage and make some money you should do it under a company, not as an individual. Similarly with appstores.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by cmccabe »

Don't release it under the GPL. Due to Apple app store restrictions, GPL'ed apps cannot be distributed that way. It's probably best to pick a BSD or Apache style license.

Being an app developer is frustrating even on Android. Getting publicity for your app is difficult. Margins are thinner than you think because prices are low and your time isn't free.

My feeling is that the market is currently oversupplied with app developers and it needs to cool down. More posts like this would be good to counter the gold rush mentality of the past few years. There just isn't that much money in apps, unless you own the App store.

I also don't see learning Objective C as being that useful, unless you want to continue being an iOS developer... which it seems that you don't. Remember, your main career goal as a developer is not to paint yourself into a corner.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by frabcus »

eridius wrote: post #61
eduardordm wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My idea was to release an app every 3-5 months and make at least 60k/year. I cannot sell that much in Brazil as a individual (limit here is 36k BRL). Actually, it took me 8 days to open the company. At the first day I had the CNPJ (EIN in the US), so, in fact, it took me less than 24 hours to be able to accept payments. I don't see the app store as a viable way of making a living anymore (for single developers). I'll…

First off, you actually have a limit on how much an individual developer can make? That sounds crazy. Secondly, I don't understand your anger at Apple. They don't control DUNS numbers. It's not their fault that you're having a problem getting one.

They could use an open standard for international company numbers instead of a closed one, e.g. see http://opencorporates.com/

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by [deleted] »

eridius wrote: post #21

Why do you even need a DUNS number? If you're an individual person, just get an individual account and sell it that way. Honestly, this seems a bit like a publicity stunt to me. Everyone loves hating on Apple these days, and if you can tie it to "look at my new opensource project", then BAM, it hits HN front page.

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