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Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by barredo »

eduardordm wrote: post #15
k-mcgrady wrote: post #10

The DUNS number is nothing to do with Apple, it's all handled by a separate company and something used internationally by many companies, not just Apple. 1. Why don't you just register as an individual and then convert the account to a company one once you get your DUNS number? 2. Why is it taking so longer to get the DUNS number? I registered my business with the government then applied for the DUNS number and got i…

In every country they have a branch, each with different prices and delivery times. In Brazil I was asked 60 working days for the free service.

So it's Brazilian bureaucracy the one stopping you right? I'm just curious

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by Steko »

eduardordm wrote: post #15
k-mcgrady wrote: post #10

The DUNS number is nothing to do with Apple, it's all handled by a separate company and something used internationally by many companies, not just Apple. 1. Why don't you just register as an individual and then convert the account to a company one once you get your DUNS number? 2. Why is it taking so longer to get the DUNS number? I registered my business with the government then applied for the DUNS number and got i…

In every country they have a branch, each with different prices and delivery times. In Brazil I was asked 60 working days for the free service.

You missed this part:

"Why don't you just register as an individual"

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by hrabago »

eridius wrote: post #21

Why do you even need a DUNS number? If you're an individual person, just get an individual account and sell it that way. Honestly, this seems a bit like a publicity stunt to me. Everyone loves hating on Apple these days, and if you can tie it to "look at my new opensource project", then BAM, it hits HN front page.

There are many benefits to being an LLC, and many reasons why one would want to publish as a company instead of as an individual. I have also read before (can't find it now, though) that there are people who give more credibility to applications when they are published by a company rather than an individual.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by Foomandoonian »

I'm always sad when people treat open source as a dumping ground for abandoned/old/unprofitable projects. The rest of my sympathy went away when he misspelled 'substantial' and signed off with an all-caps 'GO TO HELL'. Classy.

I'm probably just a snob.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by Gigablah »

Foomandoonian wrote: post #44

I'm always sad when people treat open source as a dumping ground for abandoned/old/unprofitable projects. The rest of my sympathy went away when he misspelled 'substantial' and signed off with an all-caps 'GO TO HELL'. Classy. I'm probably just a snob.

You probably just lack empathy.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by eduardordm »

Foomandoonian wrote: post #44

I'm always sad when people treat open source as a dumping ground for abandoned/old/unprofitable projects. The rest of my sympathy went away when he misspelled 'substantial' and signed off with an all-caps 'GO TO HELL'. Classy. I'm probably just a snob.

You are not a snob.

But, make no mistake, this is probably a profitable project. In fact, I was planning on making a living out it! I promise I'm not just dumping this

I misspell a lot, sorry, english is not my first language (not even second, actually). Normally I use a spell checker, somehow that passed.

Yep, the e-mail didn't end very well. My point was to try to convey rage to the reader (crazy guy punching computer). Just like people yelling at airline employees when something happens to their flights.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by eduardordm »

barredo wrote: post #41
eduardordm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In every country they have a branch, each with different prices and delivery times. In Brazil I was asked 60 working days for the free service.

So it's Brazilian bureaucracy the one stopping you right? I'm just curious

D&B Brazil, yes.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by Steko »

eduardordm wrote: post #26
eridius wrote: post #21

Why do you even need a DUNS number? If you're an individual person, just get an individual account and sell it that way. Honestly, this seems a bit like a publicity stunt to me. Everyone loves hating on Apple these days, and if you can tie it to "look at my new opensource project", then BAM, it hits HN front page.

I opened a company specifically for this (ipad/iphone development) it was my plan to leave my current company and build something less stressful. I reached a point where I'm no longer interested in building apps for the app store, apple asks too much and give us too little. I posted on HN because most readers are also programmers and they are exactly whom will fork the project, etc. That said, yep, it can be consider…

"you make it sound as something bad"

Because you've basically admitted that your post is disingenuous. The DUNS requirement is easily sidestepped in the short term and a complete non-issue in the long term.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by eduardordm »

lessnonymous wrote: post #34

I don't see what problem you're solving by open sourcing, therefore this is just a misguided publicity grab. * The "open letter" goes from addressing Apple to addressing potential developers. * What does open-sourcing give you other than people to help you write code for free? You still can't put the app on the app store and therefore can't release it to users. You can get it on third-party app stores instantly alrea…

The problem itself (taking too long to publish the app because of duns number requirement) can't be solved without waiting (or money), really.

I'm not really solving any problem by open sourcing it, but as I give up developing for the app store my idea is to open source it, build a small group of developers, find someone smarter than me to work with.

I don't think selling apps on the app store is a viable source on income for small developers right now. Yes, we hear a lot of success cases, but the number of failures are enormous.

I created! I'm just giving up selling it.

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