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Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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In Linux it's easier to install something that in Windows. Sure, as long as it's in your distro, and it's the version you want, and you haven't installed anything else that might interact with it from another source. But if any of those three statements is not true, best to start praying to whatever deities you believe in for one of them to help you, because chances are no-one else is going to. The thing that really…

Because often applications need to be able to read and write files that have been created by other programs. Some programs also have features which add functionality to other applications. Sometimes this can be useful , in cases such as lastpass and dropbox but other times they can be bad in cases such as spyware.

Because often applications need to be able to read and write files that have been created by other programs.

I challenge your position that this "often" happens. Stop and look at the different kinds of data you work with and the applications you use to work with it. I bet you'll find a lot of your applications only work with their own formats and/or a fairly small number of other common ones such as standard text/graphic file formats. Even if your applications could theoretically work with many different common formats, say a graphics editor that speaks 30 different file formats or a generic text editor that can edit many different kinds of source file, I bet in practice you only use a handful of those graphic formats or use a few different kinds of text file on any given system. Almost nothing, except for system/comms software that deals with files as black boxes without caring what kind of data they hold, needs arbitrary access to any file type.

Would it really be so hard to established a systematic model for these requirements and then actively enforce it, so applications had to disclose exactly which types of data they wanted to access? This could be shown as part of a standardised installation process built into the OS, or at least summarised there and the full details made available to the user (and permissions configurable by that user) from a separate UI later.

Keep in mind that to some extent this is already done. On Windows, for example, there is already a database of recognised file types and a database of associations between applications and those types. It's used when you double click on something to open it, or to decide which options to offer when you select "Open with..." on the menu. It's just only used for convenience at present, not enforced as a part of the security model. And there are already standardised install/uninstall UIs on most platforms, but again they aren't enforced so that applications have to play nicely and the OS can forcibly uninstall them in their entirety on user request.

Some programs also have features which add functionality to other applications.

Sure, so let them announce explicitly when they are installed that they want permission to interoperate with x, y and z other packages, and let the user say no.

And make it a pull model rather than a push one: software being installed can grant permission for other software to depend on it, but not change the other software itself. That way, the main software is always in control, not the plug-ins. This is just a smaller-scale version of the principle that the OS should always be in charge of the overall system and should be able to install/uninstall/restrict/authorise any other software according to the user's wishes, and the other software doesn't get a vote.

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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The alt-tab behaviour is borderline unworkable for anyone who's used Windows or Linux windows managers before 2011 and is trying to work with a case like several terminal windows and a browser window. My GNOME 2/XFCE/MATE setup has one bar on top of the screen and that's it, I'm finding it is pretty good for screen space even on widescreen laptops.

The alt-tab thing I think they copied directly from Apple (not necessarily a good thing). The thing that really hurts about the new alt-tab is that it breaks my mental stack. On Windows, in KDE etc I can switch back and forth between two browser windows easily. On Mac and Unity you either have to decide of your last app change was an app change or a instance change.

I love the altered behavior.

I want to switch to a different app -> Alt+Tab

I want my other Chrome window -> Alt+`

When I'm on my desktop, I switch between far too many windows to have a mental stack in my head of MRU applications, let alone windows.

Not arguing one is better than the other, but I thought I'd offer my perspective as a user.

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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post #351

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Ah crap, parse error, missed "with". Either way, strikes me as a dubious and reputationally dangerous model for YCombinator to get involved with.

YC funds enough founders now, with few enough partners, that it's entirely possible for someone to be doing something sneaky and YC wouldn't catch on right away. Initially, YC just has the business model / product description statement from the founders, a video (do they still do that?), an MVP if one exists, and maybe a meeting with the founders. The only way this could really negatively reflect on YC's integrity --…

Indeed - didn't say they were turning evil, just playing with fire!

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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The alt-tab thing I think they copied directly from Apple (not necessarily a good thing). The thing that really hurts about the new alt-tab is that it breaks my mental stack. On Windows, in KDE etc I can switch back and forth between two browser windows easily. On Mac and Unity you either have to decide of your last app change was an app change or a instance change.

I love the altered behavior. I want to switch to a different app -> Alt+Tab I want my other Chrome window -> Alt+` When I'm on my desktop, I switch between far too many windows to have a mental stack in my head of MRU applications, let alone windows. Not arguing one is better than the other, but I thought I'd offer my perspective as a user.

And if you want to switch from a different app into the other Chrome window?

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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post #434

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I love the altered behavior. I want to switch to a different app -> Alt+Tab I want my other Chrome window -> Alt+` When I'm on my desktop, I switch between far too many windows to have a mental stack in my head of MRU applications, let alone windows. Not arguing one is better than the other, but I thought I'd offer my perspective as a user.

And if you want to switch from a different app into the other Chrome window?

"I want to switch apps" = "Alt+Tab" ?

Even better with the previews because I can hit "Alt+Tab", see that Chrome is selected, keep Alt held down and then "Alt+`" to the right window.

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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This is the reason why I don't understand that people say that Linux is for "technical" users while Windows is for regular consumers. In Linux it's easier to install something that in Windows. E.g. to install a CD to MP3 rip program, in Archlinux all you do is: # Search for some mp3 ripper program pacman -Ss mp3 | grep rip # Install one of them from the list that looked ok from the description pacman -S ripperx In Wi…

There's no way 'pacman -Ss mp3 | grep rip' and 'pacman -S ripperx' would ever be considered easier than searching in Google and clicking 'install'

Well, it is easier to copy and paste it once you know it ;)

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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Maybe because I spent almost 3 hours per week to clean it.

Do you know if the Intel App-Up site is legit or do they also bundle the crapware installers? http://www.appup.com/app-details/vlc?edgSrcID=398114176 It's the first thing I see for "VLC" when I turned off Ad Block.

Completely free, no adware, no spyware and full source is provided. This is rare :)

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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Maybe because I spent almost 3 hours per week to clean it.

Wow. That really sucks man. I hope something changes where you don't have to do this forever. I told my Dad's wife to download VLC and she ended up with the crapware version too. I didn't even realize they existed until then. I was shocked =( You have my sympathies.

Thanks :)

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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Googling for "vlc", "vlc download", or "vlc player", the top 3-4 results are all to videolan.org. Ads may distort this for some users, though...

videolan.org has a pretty confusing name. I bet if it was vlcplayer.com it would get better downloads.

For the same reasons mozilla.org is not firefoxbrowser.com

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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post #117

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It isn't. Since every library the application needs is inside the bundle, you load multiple versions of the same lib on memory. Also counting the installer, the bundle and Brew or MacPorts you have a tons of way to install an app.

How often do you really have multiple third-party apps using multiple copies of the same third-party framework? How many third-party frameworks maintain binary compatibility between versions so that apps linked against different versions could still share a single installation of it?

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