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Did porn warp me forever?

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Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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Does it make sense to teach this to children? Just like "Smoking isn't good for your health."(which I believe worked for me) you could teach "Porn isn't good for you, if you want to enjoy sex."

Is there any research that proves your claim: "Porn isn't good for you if you want to enjoy sex."? Porn has only made sex better for me.

Not that I know. Bad wording from my side, I was only thinking about teens (like the case of the author). Some day research might tell us, until then, you better avoid a risk to your child.

I think Skoofoo is spot on.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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It's one of those things that can rapidly spiral, you start needing a bigger kick to keep it interesting. The problem being it is incredibly difficult to talk about, it's something parents will start needing to discuss with their kids straight up. Porn isn't bad, it's a part of society now and has been for a long while, but it's the same way drugs aren't necessarily bad unless you start needing a bigger and bigger ki…

>"Porn isn't bad, it's a part of society now and has been for a long while"

Are you sure about that? It seems that widespread, easy access to porn is something very new. Before the internet, you would have to go through some embarrassing procedure at a checkout counter to purchase just a few pornographic items.

The amount of free porn I could access in the next hour would have cost me thousands of dollars in the 1980s.

We have normalized porn very recently and it is just a piece of modernist faith that it is harmless.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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I had similar thoughts on this very topic when I was around 17 years old, I think, and still a virgin. I was thinking that maybe watching all this porn made me into a pervert, who is never going to have a fulfilling love life. I even tried not to masturbate for an extended period of time (I don't think this was all that healthy) just like the author. I watched tons of porn; it wasn't a hot topic for discussion in my peer group, but I knew that almost everyone watched it too. And when I say "tons" I mean it - I remember entire days filled with porn and almost nothing else. Oh, how ashamed I should be!

Or not.

Because here I am, more than a decade later, in a happy relationship with a woman for almost ten years, having done things the author would almost certainly classify as "things that [he] wouldn’t have dreamed of doing" and guess what? Those things, beside feeling really good (well, most of the time...) helped me understand myself and my partner much better than before. I'd argue that 'those things' are in part why we are happy together for this long and probably will be for many, many years to come. And I wouldn't even know about "those things" were it not for porn; maybe I'd try to reinvent them, but we all know how much better it is to use available library than to write your own from scratch. And it's safer, too.

I'm a pervert. Oh, how perverted I am (and how ashamed I should be!). I won't bore (or excite, depends on an age I suppose) you with details, suffice it to say that my partner and I both carry a triskelion. I must be a double pervert, because I feel not a bit of shame, nor guilt.

The thing with porn is that it gives you many paths to choose from. Half of these paths are artificial and not fulfilling at all, half of them, while genuine and based on very real human traits, are strictly forbidden by cultural norms. The problem with the second half is that almost everyone, given a freedom of choice, would subscribe to one of those paths (fetishes, styles of making love) but almost no one is granted such freedom: especially when we're young and sensitive about "what others think".

The author is worrying about what exactly? That classical, missionary style sex does not turn him on? Neither does it turn me on. And it's somehow a bad thing? Well, it is not - it just means that missionary style is not his fetish (nor mine). I would advice him to stop bothering innocent women, go back to porn and stare at it hard, long enough to understand what his fetish is - and then find a partner who shares the same fetish. It's really that simple. Just not easy at all.

Or he can pretend that he's normal, whatever this means, live a life of frustration and spend a small fortune on psychologists.

While it's obvious that porn is not about love, it is, by definition, about sex which is one of the things that love consists of. Watching porn as a teenager helps in determining an answer to a very important question, namely: "how do you want to f^&k in the future?" - which, in turn, is a part of an answer to a bigger, more important question: "how do you want to love in the future?" It's really not obvious at all that you have to love a person of another gender and it's not at all necessary to have sex with your loved one in a missionary style position. I wish more people realized this.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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There are people who watch a huge amount of porn but have a perfectly healthy sex life and relationship with women. It's about understanding what it is and it's context, and realising that there's a difference between that and reality.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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Does it make sense to teach this to children? Just like "Smoking isn't good for your health."(which I believe worked for me) you could teach "Porn isn't good for you, if you want to enjoy sex."

No, because that is ludicrous. A porn addiction is bad for you, but watching other people fuck isn't necessarily bad. Just like certain electronic components exhibit weird properties when taken to extreme levels, we wouldn't write off using op-amps because they go funky when abused.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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It's one of those things that can rapidly spiral, you start needing a bigger kick to keep it interesting. The problem being it is incredibly difficult to talk about, it's something parents will start needing to discuss with their kids straight up. Porn isn't bad, it's a part of society now and has been for a long while, but it's the same way drugs aren't necessarily bad unless you start needing a bigger and bigger ki…

>"Porn isn't bad, it's a part of society now and has been for a long while" Are you sure about that? It seems that widespread, easy access to porn is something very new. Before the internet, you would have to go through some embarrassing procedure at a checkout counter to purchase just a few pornographic items. The amount of free porn I could access in the next hour would have cost me thousands of dollars in the 1980…

> We have normalized porn very recently and it is just a piece of modernist faith that it is harmless

Do you abstain from television, computers, rock and roll, role playing, comic books and video games by this same line of FUD?

Mass media has the power to create unrealistic expectations. Someone growing up in the age of Petrarch and Dante had unrealistic expectations of romantic love. It's easy to imagine that someone growing up in the age of internet porn would have unrealistic expectations of sex. Beyond that, I'd have to see hard, consistent evidence before I'd write off porn as especially harmful.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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There's a part of the paleo subculture that avoids porn as an unnatural superstimulus. See http://yourbrainonporn.com/ or http://www.reddit.com/r/nofap Anecdotally, I find their arguments compelling.

Alain de Botton has written about it, too:

"A brain originally designed to cope with nothing more tempting than an occasional glimpse of a tribesperson across the savannah is lost with what’s now on offer on the net at the click of a button: when confronted with offers to participate continuously in scenarios outstripping any that could be dreamt up by the diseased mind of the Marquis de Sade. There is nothing robust enough in our psychological make-up to compensate for developments in our technological capacities."

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/12/26/why-we-should-limi...

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree entirely with you, another point the author of the article is making is that his problems may be typical in kids growing up with the world wide web at their fingertips. That perspective brings us to a different question: What can we do to ensure safe and positive sexual development in children without censoring the web and imposing our generation's morals on the next?

How about responsible parenting teaching our children the concepts of boundaries and moderation?

I doubt you can apply moderation to your sex life.

You can moderate your intake of cookies; but limiting yourself to one kind of porn and not the other doesn't feel a working solution.

You can try to limit your porn consumption to once per a period of time (a week?) but I bet it will make the symptoms worse.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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Betteridge's law of headlines.

Nope. You can't knee-jerk exclaim "Betteridge's law" when you see a "?". It's meant for news articles. This article is an introspective "life story" article and doesn't meet the preconditions.

For example, the previous life story article ending with a question mark on Salon was "Can I date a Republican?", and the clear answer from the article is "yes."

The one before that is "Should the terminally ill control their deaths?" and the author's statement is "A year after my mother's uncomfortable decline, it's a question with which I'm still wrestling", but it's clear that the author supports people learning more about the options for palliative care over attempts at staying alive for as long as possible. I'll put this as a "yes."

Then there's the quoted question '“Are you on the cover of a magazine?”', where the answer is definitely "yes", but this too doesn't fit Betteridge's law.

And "Was I selfish to have fertility treatments?", where the author states "I honestly don’t think my choice was any more selfish than anyone’s choice to have a child." So that's a "no." But there wa s a while when she worried about the question.

I think you get the idea.

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