There's a part of the paleo subculture that avoids porn as an unnatural superstimulus. See http://yourbrainonporn.com/ or http://www.reddit.com/r/nofap
Anecdotally, I find their arguments compelling.
Did porn warp me forever?
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
What article did you read? He does not condemn porn. He questions what it means to have a natural sexuality when "Sexiness is always constructed — it used to be normatively hot to be fat and pale! " His problem is not that he has "demons", but that "I feel estranged from my sexuality, like it’s somebody else’s." The piece comes across to me as very self reflective, asking '(why) is this a problem?' 'What would I be l…
I don't really blame anything on the author. But it seems to me that winter is coming and we all might be heading to a police state. And I don't see how his article can't be used as a brick in the wall constructed by people not really caring about us (but only about "demons" in their heads") between us and free speech, freedom of expression and sometimes physical freedom. That's what I'm fearing.
Yep, that's the problem. You start seeing a bunch of articles like this for a few months, and then someone in power will say "This is such a terrible problem, why don't we put some sensible restrictions on porn. For the children."
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#43Does it make sense to teach this to children? Just like "Smoking isn't good for your health."(which I believe worked for me) you could teach "Porn isn't good for you, if you want to enjoy sex."
Is there any research that proves your claim: "Porn isn't good for you if you want to enjoy sex."? Porn has only made sex better for me.
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#44Do we care? The next thing he will suggest: let's censor, let's break the web, let's put people in the jail, let's force parents to spy on their children, let's take parenting rights from ones who don't. Let's create a police state because he doesn't like porn. His problems with porn is just his problems. I suggest dealing with it.
While I agree entirely with you, another point the author of the article is making is that his problems may be typical in kids growing up with the world wide web at their fingertips. That perspective brings us to a different question: What can we do to ensure safe and positive sexual development in children without censoring the web and imposing our generation's morals on the next?
How about responsible parenting teaching our children the concepts of boundaries and moderation?
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#45I'm sure there are people who have never watched porn that don't particularly enjoy sex either. This sounds like all other articles that generalize one anecdote to data.
Pretty sure the entire piece was anecdotal. I see no call to action indicating that he believes we need to take up some sort of communal mantle to protect our young ones. He just wonders if he blew it for himself.
hehe. Blew it.
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#46It's one of those things that can rapidly spiral, you start needing a bigger kick to keep it interesting. The problem being it is incredibly difficult to talk about, it's something parents will start needing to discuss with their kids straight up. Porn isn't bad, it's a part of society now and has been for a long while, but it's the same way drugs aren't necessarily bad unless you start needing a bigger and bigger ki…
It's one of those things that can rapidly spiral, you
start needing a bigger kick to keep it interesting.
I have no idea if these claims are true or trying to justify what they've done but it seems relevant and worth mentioning. Here is an AMA from a wife of one such man: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/15b3vt/iam_the_wife_of...
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#47Looks like the author was accurate in how uncomfortable we are as a society to talk about the role of porn in our lives. I think the article speaks more to the issue with recovery and the issues surrounding "getting back to neutral." This problem exists. He explains in laymen's terms a simple Pavlovian response that requires more and more brain stimulation to achieve the same level of dopamine needed for ejaculation.…
Some people don't like how they use porn. But, some people don't like how they use normal sex. And in both cases, the problem isn't porn or sex but that the person doesn't like their relationship to porn or sex; that it is interfering with their lives. This isn't true for everyone and it certainly isn't unique to porn.
For everyone who doesn't like their relationship to porn, there are other people who don't like that they got diseases, or got pregnant without a plan. But we don't pathologize this.
Let's be careful not to follow in the footsteps of Dr. Kellogg, who used the trappings of science to push predetermined conclusions in a campaign against harmless sexuality.
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#48On the same topic, "The Great Porn Experiment" TED talk, which provides some empirical grounding for the anecdote in the article:
Re: Did porn warp me forever?
#49Looks like the author was accurate in how uncomfortable we are as a society to talk about the role of porn in our lives. I think the article speaks more to the issue with recovery and the issues surrounding "getting back to neutral." This problem exists. He explains in laymen's terms a simple Pavlovian response that requires more and more brain stimulation to achieve the same level of dopamine needed for ejaculation.…
Some people don't like how they use porn. But, some people don't like how they use normal sex. And in both cases, the problem isn't porn or sex but that the person doesn't like their relationship to porn or sex; that it is interfering with their lives. This isn't true for everyone and it certainly isn't unique to porn. For everyone who doesn't like their relationship to porn, there are other people who don't like tha…
Fair point. In my opinion, I don't think this is by any means a "new" problem, its just another way addiction manifests itself as a byproduct of how accessible pornography has become.
It can happen a million different ways; for the author, it was (probably) porn.
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#50It's one of those things that can rapidly spiral, you start needing a bigger kick to keep it interesting. The problem being it is incredibly difficult to talk about, it's something parents will start needing to discuss with their kids straight up. Porn isn't bad, it's a part of society now and has been for a long while, but it's the same way drugs aren't necessarily bad unless you start needing a bigger and bigger ki…
> Porn isn't bad, it's a part of society now and has been for a long while Logically speaking, that doesn't mean it's not a bad thing. EDIT: Porn is indeed almost a staple of Western society, but note that Western culture is also very image-focused and has high rates of divorce and eating disorders among women.
>Porn is indeed almost a staple of Western society
I present to you, old Japanese porn: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman%27s...
And here's a documentary about ancient Egyptian porn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7HttHvJ8Gc
And here's a book about Mesopotamian porn: http://books.google.com.au/books/about/The_erotic_reliefs_of...
What I want to say is that porn is not only a staple of Western culture, it's a staple of humanity.