I want the world to scroll this way • Hacker News Board

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by ako » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 11:21 AM UTC

munificent wrote: post #124

This seems to result in a large number of cases where the visual experience is pointless. The line separating the previous and next page is tiny and easy to miss, and I don't see the use in two torn half-pages on screen. I agree that smooth scrolling long text is hard to read and trips up line scanning, but this UX seems be like playing an cruel game where I have to drag just enough to scroll a whole page. Any more o…

There's no space or page down on my tablet, and i do most of my web reading on a tablet.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by ako » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 11:22 AM UTC

I do most of my reading on a tablet, how do i use the hotkeys?

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by listic » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 2:11 PM UTC

What is the replacement for "Drag the link to your bookmark bar" for those that do not have a bookmark bar?

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by fastball » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 3:19 PM UTC

masklinn wrote: post #157

fastball wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're over-engineering your analysis... I immediately knew what was going on when I started scrolling, so I don't share your view that it is counter-intuitive. Also, I think your problem with the scrolling is your mouse. Does your mouse have a smoothly scrolling middle button, or is it one of the ones that moves in clicks? Scrolling with my touchpad worked excellently. You only see a white page when you are…

I can only say that, scrolling with a touchpad gesture (OSX), I fully agree with pertinhower and completely disagree with yours.

I too am on OSX (10.8.2) Perhaps it is your browser? I am using Chrome (Latest Version - 24.0.1312.52)

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by bloaf » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 3:44 PM UTC

The page is broken in by browser, none of the shortcuts work and I can't scroll with the mousewheel either. In short, it is impossible for me to read beyond the first page.

Firefox 18, Win 8 x64

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by ksec » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 4:02 PM UTC

bloaf wrote: post #295

The page is broken in by browser, none of the shortcuts work and I can't scroll with the mousewheel either. In short, it is impossible for me to read beyond the first page. Firefox 18, Win 8 x64

Same here, Firefox 19

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by rdwallis » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 5:00 PM UTC

rdwallis wrote: post #178

BSeward wrote: post #152

This is cool! An interesting experiment. I think a quick shadow does a lot to give the divider some heft and alleviate concerns about visual ambiguity between foreground and background page. It would look something like http://cl.ly/image/2N3B2V2d2L3W (pardon the wonky #ss_topPage). It can be done in CSS (+ two empty divs, uh) with small effort. To me it feels like the most usable skeuomorphic hint you could drop.

That looks great. I'll see if I can update it tomorrow.

Actually this doesn't really work. Mainly the problem is when the top page hasn't scrolled at all, for example if you're just using pagination, it creates a meaningless shadow.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by tripzilch » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 6:23 PM UTC

itry wrote: post #212

augustl wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish my browser had a setting called "disable scroll events and position: fixed"..

You could write a bookmarklet for that. I often use the "page style: no style" in firefox setting in firefox in the view menu. That gets rid of fixed positions and a lot of other annoyances.

I already did:

    javascript:for(var a=document.querySelectorAll('*'),i=0,e; e=a[i]; i++) if (e.currentStyle.position == 'fixed') e.style.position = 'static'; void(0)

I nicknamed the bookmark "fix", so I can just type "fix" in the address bar to fix those pesky fixed elements.

It works perfectly. Well, I vaguely recall there was one site, where it didn't work, don't remember which one (nor cared to figure out why it didn't). At first I was worried that looping over all elements on a page would be too inefficient, but JS is so fast nowadays, there's no noticeable delay. Also, there's no getElementsByStyle method, so I'm not sure how to even go about optimizing that loop.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by snogglethorpe » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 11:36 PM UTC

munificent wrote: post #124

This seems to result in a large number of cases where the visual experience is pointless. The line separating the previous and next page is tiny and easy to miss, and I don't see the use in two torn half-pages on screen. I agree that smooth scrolling long text is hard to read and trips up line scanning, but this UX seems be like playing an cruel game where I have to drag just enough to scroll a whole page. Any more o…

Not to mention that his entire thesis ("scrolling is the true problem!1! OMG!") is unsupported and rather dubious...

All those other things he mentions are also problems, despite his proclamation to the contrary.

Even if he somehow has managed to "fix" the scrolling "problem" (and judging from the comments on this story, he hasn't even come close), reading stuff on on a computer will still be mostly the same (for better or for worse) experience.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by lessnonymous » Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 3:56 AM UTC

nhebb wrote: post #161

I'm not seeing the navigation buttons or the hot key display in FF 18. I had to open it in Chrome to see what the fuss was about. It's not a bad implementation, but I prefer normal scrolling.

Oh .. is that the problem? No, opened it in chrome, still an annoying turn-the-page interface. No idea what everyone is talking about. Maybe you need a scroll wheel on your mouse?

I have ABSOLUTELY no problem tracking scrolling text as I read it. I think pagination is of the devil. We could have paginated the web in '93, but the beauty of the web is pages can be endless.