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Re: Never Lie About Who You Really Are

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post #15

In the UK I've run into people who use the term `partner' for whomever they are in a non-married exclusive relationship with, regardless of whether they are gay or straight. I don't know how common that is, or how it got started. I wonder whether it will ever catch on in the US?

It's common, but daft. It makes every relationship sound like a firm of solicitors. I don't see what's wrong with wife/husband/boyfriend/girlfriend.

"Girlfriend" in particular is ambiguous for women.

Re: Never Lie About Who You Really Are

#162
post #21

> First, know what you're coming out about. Identify your truths. Write a personal values manifesto. You can't know if your values are being violated if you're ambiguous about what they are. most people would come out about the fact that they don't give a shit about the value of the product their employer produces. many would have to admit they delight in sabotaging the system they hate.

"I enjoy rebelling against authority, and I will make fun of you for not knowing how to type formulas in excel."

I'm looking forward to my next interview.

Re: Never Lie About Who You Really Are

#163
post #156

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I think you're assuming a lot more about the writer than the writer assumed about the pest control guy. There's very little reason to doubt his reading of the situation, as I'm sure he's encountered it many, many times. Also, holy crap this entire thread is full of smug heteronormative privilege. HN, I expect better.

I suppose anything that doesn't conform to your world-view is 'smug heteronormative privilege'. If you want a big happy feel-good discussion I suggest you go back to Tumblr. HN is for constructive discussion.

Haha. "This is a CONSTRUCTIVE discussion zone only! Shut up with your opinions, I don't want to hear them!"

Re: Never Lie About Who You Really Are

#164

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Maybe he welcomes the small talk but finds the process of correcting false assumptions laborious? I get what you're saying and I don't think you're trying to be homophobic, but realize that that attitude often comes off the same as "I don't mind people being gay, I just don't want to see it or have to hear about it". It's a subtle form of oppression, where gay people are made to feel that they are not free to engage…

I didn't say anything approaching what you claim the attitude is. My point was that small talk, particular cabby small talk, almost always involves false assumptions, and this has nothing to do with being ignorant. Otherwise, they have exactly the problem you mention in the last sentence. They see people from all walks of life. If they didn't make some set of assumptions (be it about sexuality, gender, typical behavi…

I don't find this offensive, merely annoying. In your previous post you make it sound like it is easy to avoid the kind of small talk that reveals that you are gay. This is not the case. Sure, you can be blunt and give 1 word answers every time somebody tries to make smalltalk with you, but that will just make people think you are in a perpetually bad mood. About half the time I will just play along and mentally substitute the genders to avoid any awkward situations, but you can't really do this if you may see the person again, or when people who know that you are gay are also present (because then you will confuse them). If you do use the correct genders then more often than not there is an awkward situation, sometimes resulting in complete silence and then the other person will try to get away from you (not because they hate you, just to get out of the awkward situation).

Re: Never Lie About Who You Really Are

#165

I'm gay and this analogy is strained and opportunistic. The charged moment when you're buying flowers for a same-sex partner is charged psychologically, not because of external fears. I live in a very liberal city, and there's almost zero chance I'm going to get bullied by the lady at the flower shop. It's charged because of how I grew up, because of the other people who made me feel like an outsider or a freak, beca…

Whether his analogy could have been better or not is besides the point, IMHO. Not sure I get what you mean by analogy being "opportunistic." He used it in his introduction. It worked for me. In fact, that's an example a good use case. Anyways, I guess it's just a difference of opinion, which is fine and interesting. Cheers :)

Re: Never Lie About Who You Really Are

#166
post #15

In the UK I've run into people who use the term `partner' for whomever they are in a non-married exclusive relationship with, regardless of whether they are gay or straight. I don't know how common that is, or how it got started. I wonder whether it will ever catch on in the US?

It's common, but daft. It makes every relationship sound like a firm of solicitors. I don't see what's wrong with wife/husband/boyfriend/girlfriend.

Here in Sweden people use the word "sambo": https://www.google.com/search?q=sambo+sweden . It works pretty well.

Re: Never Lie About Who You Really Are

#167
post #147
post #96

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England has no such thing as common law marriage. It's a persistent myth. When one partner dies or leaves the other is left with very few rights.

It does in some areas though. E.g. you have provisions like this one from the housing act, talking about when tenancies can be automatically transferred, on the death of one spouse, to the other one: " a person who was living with the tenant as his or her wife or husband shall be treated as the tenant’s spouse, and a person who was living with the tenant as if they were civil partners shall be treated as the tenant's…

yes, there are little bits n bobs.

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/your_family/family/liv...

Re: Never Lie About Who You Really Are

#168
post #19

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Many people over the age of, say, 30, feel weird about using the word "boyfriend" or "girlfriend", because they feel that it implies a young person.

I had a fabulous middle-class friend once who would refer to his Mum's boyfriend as "My mother's lover". Let's bring "lover" back. Failing that "Other Half" or "Baby Mums".

Ugh the word "lover" really creeps me out for some reason. It might be because of the Welshly Arms Hotel SNL sketch. Either way, I can't imagine referring to anyone as "my mom's lover." shiver

Re: Never Lie About Who You Really Are

#169

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Many people over the age of, say, 30, feel weird about using the word "boyfriend" or "girlfriend", because they feel that it implies a young person.

This describes me (I live in the UK). I'm 31 I've been in a lovely heteronormative relationship for eight years. We aren't married, and we've called each other 'partner' for years. In my head it lives in the linguistic space between '[boy|girl]friend' and the state-sponsored '[husband|wife]'. I also enjoy its gender neutrality.

"I've been in a lovely heteronormative relationship "

Are you kidding? My sarcasm detector is failing here.

Re: Never Lie About Who You Really Are

#170
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's common, but daft. It makes every relationship sound like a firm of solicitors. I don't see what's wrong with wife/husband/boyfriend/girlfriend.

Here in Sweden people use the word "sambo": https://www.google.com/search?q=sambo+sweden . It works pretty well.

FYI that's a racially charged term in the US http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo_%28racial_term%29
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