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Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

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Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

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Post by cowboyhero »

The most striking thing is the across the board drop from one age group to the next. That to me is the more interesting story here.

Curious about Survata' methodology. Neither the author nor their website go into a great deal of information about this. (I mostly want to know who crafts the questions, as it's easy to inadvertntly skew survey results).

As an aside, linking to Survata's homepage not just once but three times in a ~600 word post makes this thing, aside from its casual observations, feel like an 'advertorial.'

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

#42

Post by grecy »

majormajor wrote: post #20
mcphilip wrote: post #2

Anecdotal evidence: I had never messed with Instragram until I got a girlfriend whose peer group used that exclusively over Facebook. These are all in the 28-32 age range. It seems they were all eager to use a system that just focused on sharing photos and didn't want all the 'bloat' associated with Facebook. In addition to preferring the focus on photosharing, there was a sense of just wanting to be back on a networ…

It is amusing that there's less friction to move to a new network than to clean up the old one. Unfriending (or hiding/muting/whatever while still actively using Facebook) is much more likely to be taken as an affront by your long-time Facebook friends than simply stopping using FB much. But eventually it seems like the same people will move to the new network of choice, and try to contact you there, and you've got t…

> Unfriending (or hiding/muting/whatever while still actively using Facebook) is much more likely to be taken as an affront by your long-time Facebook friends than simply stopping using FB much.

I've muted hundreds of people in my friends list, and they are none-the-wiser.

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

#43

Post by chrischen »

drobati wrote: post #31
majormajor wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is amusing that there's less friction to move to a new network than to clean up the old one. Unfriending (or hiding/muting/whatever while still actively using Facebook) is much more likely to be taken as an affront by your long-time Facebook friends than simply stopping using FB much. But eventually it seems like the same people will move to the new network of choice, and try to contact you there, and you've got t…

I've had an instagram since it started and have watched friends slowly adopt. It really seemed to be catching fire in the past 3 months. So in my experience I've found that people follow me but because the tool doesn't very easily show if someone follows you back, without digging back and forth through your followers, it's very easy to just unfollow the friends who don't provide content I care about. It's more simila…

On facebook if you unfriend someone the other person is still attached to you as a subscriber... but they'd only get your public content.

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

#44

Post by awenger »

garry wrote: post #30
1337biz wrote: post #28

I don't want to come across as rude, but I am fascinated how easy people are buying into these numbers. From my perspective the survey is in its current form far less informative than the original anecdote. There is absolutely zero information on the data source he or Survate was using. The population seems to be selected based on the single factor age - meaning they might be getting the data from the easiest, cheape…

Survata is a survey-wall -- meaning you have to answer a survey before you see a given article. They have about 20 publishers signed up, and they're all non-spammy content. Users are all US-based, which can be verified via geo-ip, and there's little reason for people to spoof that here. I never claimed to have more anecdotal evidence -- the whole point is to try to validate the claims via some form of data collection…

(Survata co-founder here)

Garry's explanation is a good one. The data for this survey was collected via surveywalls (example at [1]), which let visitors access premium content online for free in exchange for answering a few questions. All respondents here have US IP addresses and self-report age in the 13-25yr range. We generally see honesty rates of 90% or higher to questions for which we can verify the answer (e.g. "Which OS are you currently using?" or "Who is the President of the US?").

1. Example surveywall: http://www.hyperink.com/So-You-Want-To-Be-A-Programmer-b1559...)

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

#45

Post by awenger »

cowboyhero wrote: post #41

The most striking thing is the across the board drop from one age group to the next. That to me is the more interesting story here. Curious about Survata' methodology. Neither the author nor their website go into a great deal of information about this. (I mostly want to know who crafts the questions, as it's easy to inadvertntly skew survey results). As an aside, linking to Survata's homepage not just once but three…

(Survata co-founder here)

Survata has a DIY survey creation tool, but we review and suggest wording changes to avoid biased questions. We also advise on how to arrange (and randomize) answer choices to allow us to calculate and compensate for answer biases like always clicking the first or last option.

Responses are gathered on surveywalls across the web, where visitors answer short surveys in exchange for free access to premium content (e.g. ebook or video).

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

#46

Post by joering2 »

it would never cross my engineering mind to develop app like Snapchat. If you pitch it to anyone who played with iOS for a moment, they will laugh at you and say: no fun, I can hold two buttons and take print screen and the purpose of your app - dissapearing photo - is gone. But yet SC managed to raise $8MM. How on Earth is that?? Is it possible that those who took photos have no idea holding power button and clicking menu button with take a print screen??

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

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Post by bcoates »

joering2 wrote: post #46

it would never cross my engineering mind to develop app like Snapchat. If you pitch it to anyone who played with iOS for a moment, they will laugh at you and say: no fun, I can hold two buttons and take print screen and the purpose of your app - dissapearing photo - is gone. But yet SC managed to raise $8MM. How on Earth is that?? Is it possible that those who took photos have no idea holding power button and clickin…

Don't underestimate the power of defaults. When you send someone a photo through most systems the recipient has to go out of their way to delete it, so they wind up keeping (and re-sharing) things they didn't even intend to. If you want to circumvent Snapchat's retention policy you have to actually care enough at the moment to do so, which is a much bigger barrier than any technical one.

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

#48

Post by darklajid »

grecy wrote: post #42
majormajor wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is amusing that there's less friction to move to a new network than to clean up the old one. Unfriending (or hiding/muting/whatever while still actively using Facebook) is much more likely to be taken as an affront by your long-time Facebook friends than simply stopping using FB much. But eventually it seems like the same people will move to the new network of choice, and try to contact you there, and you've got t…

> Unfriending (or hiding/muting/whatever while still actively using Facebook) is much more likely to be taken as an affront by your long-time Facebook friends than simply stopping using FB much. I've muted hundreds of people in my friends list, and they are none-the-wiser.

Hundreds? As in > 200?

Maybe the list shouldn't be called 'friends' anymore? That list is bigger than my list of Outlook + GMail contacts.

As a prime example for a very different use of social networks: Can you explain to me how adding these people to your account (friends, acquaintances, whatever you name the list) adds, especially if they are muted and don't show up in your feed of social stuff (tm) anyway? Fascinating.

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

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Post by ghshephard »

majormajor wrote: post #20
mcphilip wrote: post #2

Anecdotal evidence: I had never messed with Instragram until I got a girlfriend whose peer group used that exclusively over Facebook. These are all in the 28-32 age range. It seems they were all eager to use a system that just focused on sharing photos and didn't want all the 'bloat' associated with Facebook. In addition to preferring the focus on photosharing, there was a sense of just wanting to be back on a networ…

It is amusing that there's less friction to move to a new network than to clean up the old one. Unfriending (or hiding/muting/whatever while still actively using Facebook) is much more likely to be taken as an affront by your long-time Facebook friends than simply stopping using FB much. But eventually it seems like the same people will move to the new network of choice, and try to contact you there, and you've got t…

I deleted my Facebook account with it's 700+ friends and moved over to Path. I've been there for about a year and so far only have about 10 friends and family. We use it hourly, sometimes more often, and it's has been a refreshing respite from the cognitive overload (and sometimes time drain) that Facebook used to be. So I get the move to Instagram...

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

#50

Post by dagw »

darklajid wrote: post #48
grecy wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unfriending (or hiding/muting/whatever while still actively using Facebook) is much more likely to be taken as an affront by your long-time Facebook friends than simply stopping using FB much. I've muted hundreds of people in my friends list, and they are none-the-wiser.

Hundreds? As in > 200? Maybe the list shouldn't be called 'friends' anymore? That list is bigger than my list of Outlook + GMail contacts. As a prime example for a very different use of social networks: Can you explain to me how adding these people to your account (friends, acquaintances, whatever you name the list) adds, especially if they are muted and don't show up in your feed of social stuff (tm) anyway? Fascina…

Based on what I've seen, refusing to add someone can be seen as a social snub in many circles. Simply adding and muting someone avoids a lot of social hassle of people wanting to know why you refused to add them when you did add some other person.
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