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>the overheard to hiring Did you mean overhead? Moreover, it seems like you don't validate your form input at all. (Sorry about the entry. My email address is not really aa.)
Validating email addresses via anything but verification links are a road to hell.
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If I'm looking for a high paying job, a few dollars isn't going to interest me. Your friend probably had to create a ton of code to allow for the applicant to store and eventually withdraw his few bucks. If I'm really looking for a job, how many recruiters could possibly contact me? 10-15? at $2, that's $30 at the end of the process. Seems more like a distraction from my job hunting. It seems more like a distraction…
I expect the intent was really the other way around. To someone who is truly interested in what you have to offer, a buck or two is just a rounding error on the salary they will eventually pay you. To someone who is harvesting contact information to fire spam your way, $2 * n-number-of-contacts starts to add up very quickly.
A recruiter who is genuinely interested in you for a job opportunity wouldn't mind paying the $2 but a spammer who is emailing hundreds or thousands of people just trying to build an interest list would suffer.
Still, this hinges on the person actually responding so the spammer wouldn't suffer in this case. They'd be happy to pay for a $2 lead and not suffer any expense if the person doesn't respond.
I think you'd have to pay regardless of the lead responding for this to have a chance of working. Again, that's how a successful system work with Elance. You pay regardless of getting your bid accepted.
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I'm nowhere near the top of my profession, so I'm baffled by it. I'm actually glad to read about it, since my non-dev friends don't understand it and get angry at me for bitching about people trying to offer me work! I am however, a minority in the field (a woman) so I sometimes think that this fact MAY have something to do with it :/ It really gives me even more reason to hate the recruiting spam - when I'm called "…
Ha! Definitely can relate (except for the great dudes part lol), but I wonder what kind of deals these recruiters have with companies? Do they really care about finding the right people for positions, or do they just want a quick cut of whatever commission they're making? It's flattering sometimes to see a voicemail full of recruiters, but one has to wonder if their intentions are optimally in line with what companie…
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Whilst I don't agree with the practice, the reason most recruiters are cagey about disclosing too much info on the company they represent is because they don't want the candidate to go to the company directly and saving the company $25k. How do you deal with that challenge? Look, I'm incredibly vocal about the need to disrupt the recruitment industry but from what I understand based on the discussion here, the differ…
They may have an exclusive contract with the company for that position, for a certain period of time. Or maybe the company name (or contact details) is NOT part of what they will expose to the candidate.
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I think that the $25k flat fee is very well done. It sends the right signals, and incentivizes companies in the right ways. 1) It implies that their offering is heavily productized. To a hiring company, this implies that quality will be high because they have found a way to scale a solution such that improvements benefit every customer. 2) $25k signals a bias towards higher salaries, where this number can be expected…
I think these things are beside the point. People are not products, and thus aren't subject to appeal through opulence. It is conceivable that one would buy a product simply because it is expensive in order to distinguish themselves or satisfy some arbitrary desire to have expensive things, or because they view cost as a factor in "quality." People, on the other hand, are more akin to machines in that their only valu…
A recruiter that has lots of 150k people on their books can signal that by charging 25% of a 150k salary rather than 25% of a 50k salary. Then people who want 150k people will hopefully come to them.
You can see this if you speak to different recruiters when hiring people, they charge different rates depending on what market segment they target.
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It would also be great, if we could just import our information from LinkedIn.
If you attach your resume, we'll parse it for you. LinkedIn has set a precedent of cease and desists for products like this, we wanted to avoid that path.
It would be interesting if you could find an appropriate way to explain that to users; perhaps with a reference to http://resume.linkedinlabs.com/?
Our solution to recruiter spam: Become a recruiter. I'm sorry but how is your business model any different from that of a recruiter? (Other than claims of human or AI filtered quality.) I just don't see how you will not run into the exact same problems that existing recruiters run into. What makes you different than a normal recruiter building profiles of companies and employers and soliciting both? This just looks v…
That said, you are contacting a select pool of self-identified candidates about a select pool of jobs after matching them through some algorithm or criteria. Then you charge a fee to the hiring firm which is probably only competitive in NY and Silicon Valley.
Engineers that are contacted by recruiters through other social media sites only consider it 'spam' when it's a job they don't want to hear about. If your system selects a candidate to share a job with, and the candidate is not interested, then the contact is pretty much the same as spam.
I have a pool of candidates that tell me what kinds of jobs they are seeking, their criteria, how active their search is, etc and I contact them accordingly. If they aren't interested, hopefully they don't feel it is spam, but it is just as invaluable.
The recruiter/engineer relationship is broken and hopefully good recruiters and entrepreneurs are able to think of some better ideas. This has potential, but for the price I'm not so sure.
I didn't see in the thread - one advantage for candidates in using a recruiter is being a buffer in negotiations, a guide, and coaching for interviews. An upside for companies that use recruiters is the negotiation help (at times) and closing deals that might not close without an intermediary. Does your service provide these additional perks to companies and to candidates?
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If you could be so kind, could you clarify exactly who could expect these salaries? Are these entry/mid/senior level? 1, 5, 10 years experience? Top-tier developers only? I ask because there are plenty of companies hiring at sub-$70k salaries and they're having no trouble filling their positions with decent programmers. Are the programmers I know selling themselves short, or is $140k for extraordinarily experienced a…
I can only speak for web application development, but $140k is definitely not for "extraordinarily experienced and talented programmers only" in San Francisco for someone doing js/rails. Are the people you know working in startups where part of their compensation comes in equity, or the prestige of working at a well-known "great" place?
Some of my disconnect may be due to where I live. My peers may also be relatively inexperienced, so maybe these salaries aren't nuts. I just wish I knew these numbers before I took my last couple of jobs!