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UK School Replaces All Textbooks with iPads

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Re: UK School Replaces All Textbooks with iPads

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My kids' high school ( http://knoxcountystemac.knoxschools.org/ ) has done this as well. I'm still not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, the kids aren't hauling 30 pounds of books to and from school everyday, school lockers are pretty much superfluous, and the iPad is a great tool. On the other hand, it's very hard for me as their parent to tell (at a glance) whether or not the kids are actually doing school…

Do they use it for reading, or also for tests? I'm really curious about the testing they demonstrate in the video, because it seems inherently rigid and less indicative of a student's understanding than writing something down. Do they write all their tests on iPads, and are the tests multiple choice, or short-answer?

What I've seen is that testing is done via traditional methods, and for math we actually had to purchase a calculator specifically for test use since they are not allowed to use the iPads during math tests.

I believe it varies with the teacher and the subject though.

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Not that I can tell, but we took the controversial tack of telling the kids not to install any games on there. So far, it's working for us.

Settings > General > Restrictions?

I don't have an iPad in front of me, but so far as I can tell there is no "Only let useful apps be installed" setting.

Besides, it's an attitude issue. Preventing them from installing stuff via a setting isn't going to stop a kid from screwing around if they really want to (IMO). We choose to address the attitude and the actual behavior (if and when it occurs).

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> We covered them Buy an iPad case. > scribbled on them, wrote errata in Most reading apps have annotations. > copied pages for people Not necessary with digital copies. > ripped out pages, occasionally watched nitric acid dissolve them, accidentally set them on fire Fundamental to your learning experience, I take it? > sold them and swapped them I don't believe these are student-owned textbooks. > occasionally clunt…

"Not necessary with digital copies." Unless some student loses access to their books because they violated some third-party library's policy about reading their books. I see all sorts of conditions on using electronic books at my university's library -- conditions that are enforced by a service provider, not the university. Sometimes, RMS can be prophetic: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html

Agree with this a million times over.

I do actually use an e-reader (Kobo touch) but it's been hacked to register and remove any network access possibility and only gets DRM free epubs and PDFs put near it.

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It's true that current software has limitations, but I'm confident these will be improved and I've found loads of workarounds. I run pan & paper RPGs and have a lot of reference material in different PDFs, many of which are compilations of pages I've put together myself with PDFtk[1]. One trick is to screenshot the pages you need to refer to frequently into a photo album. You can also photo pages from paper books for…

all these tricks are nice and useful, but in my experience they cost more time and are less effective than just lying out all needed paper material in front of you, on your desk, so switching between them is merely a matter of moving your eyes. Of which the electronic equivalent is having lots of screen space like 3 monitors.

Fair enough, but I still think an iPad is a fantastic supplement to using paper materials. It can completely replace them in a lot of use cases, and offers capabilities (such as taking literal photo copies of printed materials, whiteboards, notice boards, etc for reference later) that paper can't compete with.

It can't replace paper completely, sure, but they are very rapidly becoming indispensable tools in a lot of situations and I think that will soon include education.

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Someone close to me works at a very good public high school in Massachusetts. The district is in the middle of the enormous task of planning/budgeting/funding a new school building. At one point they showed some preliminary plans to various interested parties, and the teachers were immediately prompted to ask where the bookshelves were, or where freestanding ones could even be placed. The answer from the superintende…

ARgh, where do they find these people, and why are they entrusted with important positions affecting the education of our kids?!

Seriously, what are the qualifications required for school administrators? These stories give the impression that they're crazily gullible and shallow people, whose decisions are guided more by the latest school-administrator fads than by actual experience with education...

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£65k saved off photocopying is huge . I've seen copier bills so I know what they can be like, but that's crazy savings from introducing it. Wonder if they're just emailing everything out now, which makes significantly more sense. I'm in favour of iPads in school. I've ran through a few of the educational programs on the iPad (including iTunes and Udemy as well as textbooks), it's a great resource and helps to consoli…

An iPad is currently £330. We'll be generous and assume Apple gave the school a 50% discount (which is huge and probably unlikely as I'd imagine even Apple aren't charging 100% markup). So £165 per iPad * 840 students (according to the video) = £138,600.

They've spent more than double what they saved on photocopying, not to mention that 840 iPads take a lot more maintenance than five or six photocopiers.

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£65k saved off photocopying is huge . I've seen copier bills so I know what they can be like, but that's crazy savings from introducing it. Wonder if they're just emailing everything out now, which makes significantly more sense. I'm in favour of iPads in school. I've ran through a few of the educational programs on the iPad (including iTunes and Udemy as well as textbooks), it's a great resource and helps to consoli…

An iPad is currently £330. We'll be generous and assume Apple gave the school a 50% discount (which is huge and probably unlikely as I'd imagine even Apple aren't charging 100% markup). So £165 per iPad * 840 students (according to the video) = £138,600. They've spent more than double what they saved on photocopying, not to mention that 840 iPads take a lot more maintenance than five or six photocopiers.

Well the cost of the iPads is a fixed cost, and they'll run them as long as possible. The savings won't ever cover the costs, but we're also missing figures for how it changed IT spending (did they need new machines? Have they avoided them?). It's an expensive proposition that's for sure, but so were computer suites 15 years ago and they had those when I was a wee lad.
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