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UK School Replaces All Textbooks with iPads

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Re: UK School Replaces All Textbooks with iPads

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Using backlit tablets for extended periods gives me really bad eye strain. I tried reading on my (high-res) iPad when I first got it, and after an hour my eyes were hurting too bad to continue. AFAIK this is caused by eyes drying due to reduced blink rate. All backlit tablets will have this problem. Therefore, I still buy old-school books and print out material when I need to read it in-depth. Does no-one else think…

No one cares about this until about 3 months in at which point they are going to have to put up with it.

This is why known a kobo and a computer and nothing else. You just can't read on a backlit device.

Re: UK School Replaces All Textbooks with iPads

#53

Someone close to me works at a very good public high school in Massachusetts. The district is in the middle of the enormous task of planning/budgeting/funding a new school building. At one point they showed some preliminary plans to various interested parties, and the teachers were immediately prompted to ask where the bookshelves were, or where freestanding ones could even be placed. The answer from the superintende…

There are a lot of things that go on 'book' shelves that aren't books! I think this was a major design flaw.

Re: UK School Replaces All Textbooks with iPads

#54
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're polemically trying to start a political argument when this school is trying to solve academic challenges. The fact is that the iPad is (or at least was) the best tablet available for them to use, so they used it rather than get trapped in the morass of trying to create hardware or use hardware that wasn't as far along. In reality, they're validating a model that would make it easier for open source alternative…

"academic challenges" Which challenges the school chooses to address is a political issue in and of itself. If the goal of the school is to educate students so that they can become outstanding citizens, then it is probably not a good idea to train them that Apple's approach -- with its restrictions and censorship -- is how things should be, which is precisely what they are doing by giving everyone iPads. Words of wis…

with its restrictions and censorship

So the students can't post an email or blog expressing their open thoughts because it's an iPad? Is so, I'd agree with you.

You more likely mean because Apple doesn't allow one to publish randomly to their app store? If so, then you're twisting the notions of censorship.

Exactly how are regular text books open for modification in schools? Writing in my textbooks was strictly forbidden. Apple's restriction on their app store has nothing meaningful to do with students expressing themselves.

There is nothing about the iPad that helps open source.

The whole tablet market would still not likely have been proven without the iPad. Go back before the iPad was introduced and find the market estimates for tablets. The fact that you could even imagine replacing this school's hardware with something like it that's open source is thanks to the iPad. The iPad VALIDATED the market and many of the concepts built on top of it. Without it, open source or even Android alternatives would still not be here.

On top of all of this, who wants the students hacking on their tablets anyway? That tablet is for distributing information and coordinating with the teacher. The last thing you want is for it to be easy for a prankster to create applications that would facilitate cheating or mayhem. You also don't want a system that is all hacked up with 3rd party app store items riddled with trojans that keeps the students from opening their legitimate apps and learning.

Re: UK School Replaces All Textbooks with iPads

#55
post #34

As a student, I tried to use a tablet with ebooks exclusively for a few of my university classes, and it was fairly dreadful. Not because having a tablet is distracting, but because it's not the best way to organize reference information. When I was trying to do homework, I wanted - the questions from page 251, the table of equations from 190, and to be able to flip through and find similar examples. Obviously e-book…

Keep in mind that you were self-experimenting with a tablet in limited ways vs the holistic approach this school is taking. Problems that you encountered trying to use a tablet in a book-oriented environment could be solved by curriculum changes, technology improvements, UI changes, etc. While improvements to a tablet approach can resolve all of the problems you're mentioning, a regular book will never be regex searc…

I've pointed out in a couple places, I don't buy the "instant feedback" solution. If I write some maths on paper, my teacher can see where I went wrong. If I check a box on a tablet, it's a boolean. Was I right, or wrong? The teacher saves some time in marking, but now I'll have to go and show them my work (on the forbidden paper!) to see where I went wrong.

As far as searching, the index at the back of a book is likely more useful than full-text search. Usually I'm not interested in a particular term, but 'that thing that we covered last week, with the Fourier Transform', or something like that. There aren't any keywords, regexes won't help - you need a well-organized textbook where the headings and sub-headings facilitate this kind of searching.

Curriculum changes seem like the wrong way to go as well - if a tablet isn't good for teaching a subject, don't jam the subject into a format the tablet can understand. This is clearest in the testing case, but it's generally applicable: the tablet, as a device, exposes an interface. Paper exposes the ultimate interface: it accepts any free-form input. At best tablets can work in a similar way, but we have a hard time doing anything useful with this input. As we normalize the input to make it easier to process, we move away from a general purpose input device, and we force students to think and express themselves in the specific way we designed the interface to work.

Re: UK School Replaces All Textbooks with iPads

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They get to learn that computers are sealed shut before they even get to use their imagination about what's should be doable. They weren't able to modify their textbooks, either.

Yes we were. We covered them, scribbled on them, wrote errata in, copied pages for people, ripped out pages, occasionally watched nitric acid dissolve them, accidentally set them on fire, sold them and swapped them for other things and occasionally clunted someone round the head with them.

> We covered them

Buy an iPad case.

> scribbled on them, wrote errata in

Most reading apps have annotations.

> copied pages for people

Not necessary with digital copies.

> ripped out pages, occasionally watched nitric acid dissolve them, accidentally set them on fire

Fundamental to your learning experience, I take it?

> sold them and swapped them

I don't believe these are student-owned textbooks.

> occasionally clunted someone round the head with them

Hardly a necessary feature.

Re: UK School Replaces All Textbooks with iPads

#57
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes we were. We covered them, scribbled on them, wrote errata in, copied pages for people, ripped out pages, occasionally watched nitric acid dissolve them, accidentally set them on fire, sold them and swapped them for other things and occasionally clunted someone round the head with them.

> We covered them Buy an iPad case. > scribbled on them, wrote errata in Most reading apps have annotations. > copied pages for people Not necessary with digital copies. > ripped out pages, occasionally watched nitric acid dissolve them, accidentally set them on fire Fundamental to your learning experience, I take it? > sold them and swapped them I don't believe these are student-owned textbooks. > occasionally clunt…

No thanks - sticky back plastic is far more versatile.

Annotations with diagrams finely written with pencil or smudged around with a lopping great big finger?

Not possible with certain DRM encumbered digital copies.

It was more of a point that the iPad wouldn't survive GCSE/A level chemistry or a machine shop for instruction whereas a book would even with minor acid or fire damage.

We had to buy our textbooks. I bet that they aren't that generous all of a sudden.

Clunting someone with an A level mathematics textbook end on stopped a mugging. If it was an iPad, you'd be the one being mugged (I grew up in a shitty bit of London)

Re: UK School Replaces All Textbooks with iPads

#58
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"academic challenges" Which challenges the school chooses to address is a political issue in and of itself. If the goal of the school is to educate students so that they can become outstanding citizens, then it is probably not a good idea to train them that Apple's approach -- with its restrictions and censorship -- is how things should be, which is precisely what they are doing by giving everyone iPads. Words of wis…

with its restrictions and censorship So the students can't post an email or blog expressing their open thoughts because it's an iPad? Is so, I'd agree with you. You more likely mean because Apple doesn't allow one to publish randomly to their app store? If so, then you're twisting the notions of censorship. Exactly how are regular text books open for modification in schools? Writing in my textbooks was strictly forbi…

"You more likely mean because Apple doesn't allow one to publish randomly to their app store? If so, then you're twisting the notions of censorship."

It is not just that Apple has standards for their own app store. Fedora has standards for its repositories, but I would not accuse them of any kind of censorship.

The problem is that Apple has created a computer whose software can only be installed from the App Store, unless you pay Apple a special fee and agree to all manner of unfriendly licenses (on top of those you already agreed to to use your computer in the first place). We are past the point of talking about theoretical risks associated with such a system; Apple already refused to allow political cartoons to run on iPads. If you do not call that censorship, what do you call it?

"Apple's restriction on their app store has nothing meaningful to do with students expressing themselves."

Unless those students happen to be expressing themselves by writing software.

"The whole tablet market would still not likely have been proven without the iPad"

I have my doubts. Apple only marketed their tablet well; they did not invent the technology that made it possible.

"who wants the students hacking on their tablets anyway?"

I do, because like many people, I learned to program by hacking every computer available to me in my spare time. I would not be where I am today if I had not had the opportunity to do so. By surrounding students with computers they cannot hack at will, this school is telling their students that they are not allowed to learn to program in such an unsanctioned way; the students must wait until some teacher comes along to teach them some standardized programming curriculum, and too bad if they had been trying to learn something else. Right now, the students are lucky in that they most likely have a computer to hack at their home; that may not be the case in the future, especially if these sorts of restricted computers continue to gain popularity.

"The last thing you want is for it to be easy for a prankster to create applications that would facilitate cheating or mayhem"

Mayhem? If the school's IT staff cannot deal with the "mayhem" caused by a single computer, they are incompetent.

As for cheating, sure, that's a risk of giving students programmable computers. The answer is not to try to restrict student activities on those computers, any more than the answer to cheating by leaving notes in a bathroom stall is to watch students go to the bathroom. It is not hard to build a computer that can be rapidly reimaged before an exam. It is not hard to deny student's internet access during an exam. It is not hard for a teacher to check for ad-hoc networks during an exam.

Why deny students the ability to learn outside the standard curriculum? Why insist that they must come from families that can afford to buy more computers for them, when you could have the school give them computers to program? We had programmable desktops when I was in high school, and the benefits were clear: there was a club for hackers who just liked to hack (and even a system where they would help maintain the school's network). Back then, we had desktops; it would have been great to have something we could carry around with us.

"You also don't want a system that is all hacked up with 3rd party app store items riddled with trojans that keeps the students from opening their legitimate apps and learning."

Funny how we didn't have this problem at my high school. The reason is pretty simple: misbehaving computers could be reimaged quickly. Students who repeatedly and deliberately installed malware were suspended, no different from students who drew graffiti or broken into other students' lockers.

Your argument amounts to this: students cannot learn unless they are following the prescribed curriculum, so any student who tries to hack the computer that was issued for the prescribed curriculum must be either a cheater, a vandal, or that they will just harm their education by doing things they were not told to do. That is a narrow view of learning and it is the reason so many intelligent kids hate going to school.

Re: UK School Replaces All Textbooks with iPads

#59
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes we were. We covered them, scribbled on them, wrote errata in, copied pages for people, ripped out pages, occasionally watched nitric acid dissolve them, accidentally set them on fire, sold them and swapped them for other things and occasionally clunted someone round the head with them.

> We covered them Buy an iPad case. > scribbled on them, wrote errata in Most reading apps have annotations. > copied pages for people Not necessary with digital copies. > ripped out pages, occasionally watched nitric acid dissolve them, accidentally set them on fire Fundamental to your learning experience, I take it? > sold them and swapped them I don't believe these are student-owned textbooks. > occasionally clunt…

"Not necessary with digital copies."

Unless some student loses access to their books because they violated some third-party library's policy about reading their books. I see all sorts of conditions on using electronic books at my university's library -- conditions that are enforced by a service provider, not the university.

Sometimes, RMS can be prophetic:

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html

Re: UK School Replaces All Textbooks with iPads

#60
post #11

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Can you not restrict them so they can't install games etc? [EDIT] The iPads, not the kids!

With enterprise tools for iPad you have complete and total control over how the device is used. You can restrict installing apps, uninstalling apps, using the camera, loading the App Store, talking with Siri, altering settings, etc. See this list for some of the things you can do: http://help.apple.com/configurator/mac/1.2/#cadbf9e41d Yet more: http://help.apple.com/configurator/mac/1.2/#cad5370d089

Yeah, except they need to be able to do a lot of those things. They need to install apps, but there are certain apps they definitely do not need. Also, I (the parent) don't have full access to the device to do whatever, as it belongs to the school system and they handle the administration of it.

It doesn't really matter with regards to my children. We believe in addressing behavior directly (talking to them, rewarding/punishing behavior, etc). We just told them not to use their iPads for games without asking first (same rules as apply to their laptops), protect your privacy, blah blah blah.

Again, my major beef is that it takes more effort to verify that they are staying out of trouble. It's not impossible, but it's nerve wracking that I can't glance and see that they are doing homework, I have to actually maneuver around and look over their shoulder.

Trust but verify is our motto.

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