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The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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Post by ErrantX »

randallsquared wrote: post #14
ErrantX wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont buy that. Please explain why that would be good? If the music companies win then perhaps the idiot pirates start to acutally get scared. Then us sensible lot can sit down with the companies and get them to do things right. Stuff is moving in the right direction (Apple going non-DRM for instance) these guys are dinosaurs and holding things back. Send em down. I fail to see how anyone can condone TPB ever.... th…

It would be good because it will cause far more attention than the reverse verdict, and there will be some people who would otherwise have feared unspecific consequences for sharing who will thereby be reassured. It's a PR victory for the forces of anti-copyright (and, to a lesser extent, copyleft), and a conviction would be a draw (there's no way that the music companies can actually win, as far as I can see). I'm i…

yes maybe it would get more attention - but what kind of attention? Basically it would amount to the Swedish coaurts saying that providing the infrastructure ot share Copyrighted material was ok.. which it is not.

In the face of that could we expect media companies to be reasonable and sit at the table to work out new ways to provide access to digital media/software? This is not a 2 sided battle in my eyes. TPB are as much an enemy to the consumer as the IPFI.

And why shouldnt the sharers get some fear? Perhaps it will dissuade them from sharing. Bearing in mind I am massivley pro copyright (as a software developer and writer - even though the majority of my work is open source).

In terms of copyright - I too am not too worried by DRM. I would like to see DRM dropped but can understand why it is there. In the Apple case they had to impose stupidly strict DRM just to get the store off the ground. The fact they can now release that music more freely is a testamount to how much the music companies are starting to come round to the consumers viewpoint. I am never one to blame the music companies for wanting to protect their material: even though I do disagree with the prices they charge, how they screw over the artists and how they insist (till now) on locking stuff up in super restrictive DRM.

I never fully understood the arguments against copyright. Care to explain?

Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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Post by latortuga »

amix wrote: post #15

I think the Pirate Bay is a shady operation. They probably earn millions on giving other peoples work for free. I don't understand the model of "free copying" - if everyone is leeching and nobody is paying how will we get movies like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings or a game like Halo (they cost millions of $ to produce)? I hope an alternative comes where you actually pay for the stuff you leech (especially for movies).…

> if everyone is leeching and nobody is paying how will we get movies like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings or a game like Halo

It isn't really the end user's responsibility to fix a broken business model. I agree with you that it's problematic but trying to infringe upon the public's demand to copy with suing/drm/fear hasn't really done much to stem the tide of copying. And at this point it all just feels like a lack of creativity - charge everyone a yearly subscription fee to a site that allows you to download anything for free at high quality/speeds. That's just one idea off the top of my head; get 30 smart people in a room for a week and I'm sure they could come up with tons of viable alternatives.

Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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Post by ErrantX »

rms wrote: post #19
ErrantX wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

re read the blog post... spot the irony? ;) Fairly certain that the servers are not in the Sainai :)

I don't get it, could you explain please?

Well fairly certain that Tiamo does not live in Egypt.

Also they claim to have Fibre connections to XYZ countries? hmmm. (bearing in mind that that kind of thing leaves a paper trail and there doesnt appear to be one) Smacks a little too much of irony to me :)

Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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Post by ErrantX »

allenbrunson wrote: post #20
ErrantX wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? They treat everyone else with the same degree of snootiness and vitriol... calling them idiots is barely disrespectful :)

you've perhaps heard that two wrongs don't make a right? pg started this site, and he has inculcated it with his values. imagine pg writing an essay about the pirate bay. do you suppose he would call them "idiots?" like it or not, the culture around these parts tends towards respect. you violate local customs at your own peril.

I dont buy that. It is expressing an opinion. I do respect the excellent way they are using the media and the internet to show off their cause. I dont respect what they do. I disagree calling them idiots is disrespectful: because, well, they are.... (in my opinion):) There is a huge difference between respect and dislike.

Perhaps I should be clear and say they act like idiots. Then its an opinion...

I would edit the original but I cant any more.. oh well.

Slowly losing a lot of respect for some of the posters here... :(

Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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Post by sfk »

randallsquared wrote: post #7
ErrantX wrote: post #2

They are almost sure to get nailed for it now I think - and a good thing too. Neither side winning is a good outcome for the rest of us but I prefer to see the idiots dealt some of their own punishment for once ;D

Actually, I'd argue that TPB winning would be a good outcome for the rest of us, but even if they don't, it's only a matter of time. Patterns are not things, and the only way to paper over the difference is to make it harder to work with patterns... but that's not the way technology is going.

I disagree. Should the pirate bay win, politicians can argue that current laws aren't strong enough to prevent illegal activities on the Internet. Thus, freedoms that we enjoy nowadays might be taken away in the future.

This is a classic case where the misbehavior of one segment of the population (in this case quite a large segment) could make stricter legislation necessary. I think that real world traffic laws are a good analogy here:

Most people are violating speed limits, and speeding in moderation is socially acceptable. Compare moderate speeding to moderate file sharing, i.e. sharing files with say only 10 of your best acquaintances. Legislation would not be required. However, gross violation of speed limits by a certain group of drivers brought us the traffic police and radar controls. I hope that the gross copyright violations of a certain group of people do not ruin the Internet for everyone.

Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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Post by cdr »

amix wrote: post #15

I think the Pirate Bay is a shady operation. They probably earn millions on giving other peoples work for free. I don't understand the model of "free copying" - if everyone is leeching and nobody is paying how will we get movies like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings or a game like Halo (they cost millions of $ to produce)? I hope an alternative comes where you actually pay for the stuff you leech (especially for movies).…

"Probably earn millions"?

You a) don't seem to be following the case, where the people running it credibly claim to be pretty much broke, b) don't seem to know much about such websites - they're almost universally giant money sinks.

Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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Post by thwarted »

ErrantX wrote: post #23
rms wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get it, could you explain please?

Well fairly certain that Tiamo does not live in Egypt. Also they claim to have Fibre connections to XYZ countries? hmmm. (bearing in mind that that kind of thing leaves a paper trail and there doesnt appear to be one) Smacks a little too much of irony to me :)

Heh, remember those cable breaks in the middle of the Mediterranean? Other sites might suggest it was a CIA or Echelon style operation, but here, I think we can all agree that it was the Pirate Bay ensuring their connectivity by splicing their servers onto it.

Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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Post by ErrantX »

thwarted wrote: post #29
ErrantX wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well fairly certain that Tiamo does not live in Egypt. Also they claim to have Fibre connections to XYZ countries? hmmm. (bearing in mind that that kind of thing leaves a paper trail and there doesnt appear to be one) Smacks a little too much of irony to me :)

Heh, remember those cable breaks in the middle of the Mediterranean? Other sites might suggest it was a CIA or Echelon style operation, but here, I think we can all agree that it was the Pirate Bay ensuring their connectivity by splicing their servers onto it.

Heh I'd forgotten about that.

I almost wish they had managed to buy seaworld too because it would have been amusing to see the Music moguls trying to get at them there :D

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