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The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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Could anyone estimate the costs of running The Pirate Bay? I've heard that the site could be grossing millions a year from advertising, but I'm also assuming that the costs are extremely high. I was interested in finding out financial information for the site, but it looks like it won't be released.

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Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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Actually, I'd argue that TPB winning would be a good outcome for the rest of us, but even if they don't, it's only a matter of time. Patterns are not things, and the only way to paper over the difference is to make it harder to work with patterns... but that's not the way technology is going.

I dont buy that. Please explain why that would be good? If the music companies win then perhaps the idiot pirates start to acutally get scared. Then us sensible lot can sit down with the companies and get them to do things right. Stuff is moving in the right direction (Apple going non-DRM for instance) these guys are dinosaurs and holding things back. Send em down. I fail to see how anyone can condone TPB ever.... th…

you're not being downmodded because everybody here supports piracy. it's because you used the word "idiot," among other things.

you can make almost any point on hacker news and get away with it, if you're respectful to all involved.

Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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Indeed. I guess if they will be force between changing something or move, they will move to another country. So nothing will change anwyay.

As far as I knew since the '03 (I think 03) raid their servers are located in a different country anyway.

2008, Egypt

(http://thepiratebay.org/blog/102 , it only took a few seconds to find, and bests AFAIK-ing)

Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I'd argue that TPB winning would be a good outcome for the rest of us, but even if they don't, it's only a matter of time. Patterns are not things, and the only way to paper over the difference is to make it harder to work with patterns... but that's not the way technology is going.

I dont buy that. Please explain why that would be good? If the music companies win then perhaps the idiot pirates start to acutally get scared. Then us sensible lot can sit down with the companies and get them to do things right. Stuff is moving in the right direction (Apple going non-DRM for instance) these guys are dinosaurs and holding things back. Send em down. I fail to see how anyone can condone TPB ever.... th…

It would be good because it will cause far more attention than the reverse verdict, and there will be some people who would otherwise have feared unspecific consequences for sharing who will thereby be reassured. It's a PR victory for the forces of anti-copyright (and, to a lesser extent, copyleft), and a conviction would be a draw (there's no way that the music companies can actually win, as far as I can see).

I'm interested to hear what you believe the endgame for copyright is, given that you think that those currently ignoring copyright are in the wrong, but that Apple, et al, should go non-DRM? I'm against copyright, and I dislike DRM, but I don't have anything in principle against DRM, as I do against copyright.

Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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I think the Pirate Bay is a shady operation. They probably earn millions on giving other peoples work for free. I don't understand the model of "free copying" - if everyone is leeching and nobody is paying how will we get movies like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings or a game like Halo (they cost millions of $ to produce)?

I hope an alternative comes where you actually pay for the stuff you leech (especially for movies). And the argument with "trying stuff out", does not really hold - you don't go and try an ice cream for free, you buy it and if it's bad you don't buy ice creams from that store any longer.

Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont buy that. Please explain why that would be good? If the music companies win then perhaps the idiot pirates start to acutally get scared. Then us sensible lot can sit down with the companies and get them to do things right. Stuff is moving in the right direction (Apple going non-DRM for instance) these guys are dinosaurs and holding things back. Send em down. I fail to see how anyone can condone TPB ever.... th…

you're not being downmodded because everybody here supports piracy. it's because you used the word "idiot," among other things. you can make almost any point on hacker news and get away with it, if you're respectful to all involved.

Why? They treat everyone else with the same degree of snootiness and vitriol... calling them idiots is barely disrespectful :)

Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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post #13
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I knew since the '03 (I think 03) raid their servers are located in a different country anyway.

2008, Egypt ( http://thepiratebay.org/blog/102 , it only took a few seconds to find, and bests AFAIK-ing)

re read the blog post... spot the irony? ;)

Fairly certain that the servers are not in the Sainai :)

Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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post #17
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2008, Egypt ( http://thepiratebay.org/blog/102 , it only took a few seconds to find, and bests AFAIK-ing)

re read the blog post... spot the irony? ;) Fairly certain that the servers are not in the Sainai :)

I don't get it, could you explain please?

Re: The Pirate Bay Trial Day 10: Calls for Jail Time

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you're not being downmodded because everybody here supports piracy. it's because you used the word "idiot," among other things. you can make almost any point on hacker news and get away with it, if you're respectful to all involved.

Why? They treat everyone else with the same degree of snootiness and vitriol... calling them idiots is barely disrespectful :)

you've perhaps heard that two wrongs don't make a right?

pg started this site, and he has inculcated it with his values. imagine pg writing an essay about the pirate bay. do you suppose he would call them "idiots?"

like it or not, the culture around these parts tends towards respect. you violate local customs at your own peril.

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