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Post by nixon_why69 »

SlightlyLeftPad wrote: post #242
datadrivenangel wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shareholder nuisance lawsuits can happen basically any time the stock goes down... or doesn't go up enough, and often companies will settle instead of the expensive fighting...

There are grounds legally if shareholders can prove that the "long-term risk reduction" argument is a lie, they can sue under the Duty of Loyalty. In reality, yes, this amounts nuisance lawsuits, large settlements and disruption at the board level. In practice, this and the executive pay structures almost always incentivizes short-term decisions and these risks become problems “for the next person.”

This is Matt Levine's theory of "everything is securities fraud".

Something bad happens, stock goes down, angry shareholders sue because they should have been told the bad thing would happen and the stock would go down.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by Brigand »

mitxela wrote: post #276
houssc wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The caveat is always "if you're using the service correctly " which is not necessarily free. Meaning taking advantage of multiple geo zones, building in redundancy to your stack, etc. Like everything he said is possible if your technology stack living in AWS was designed to survive it. Everyone who has ever had the "we lost your data" email from AWS knows at the end of the day the cloud is just someone else's data ce…

Amazon never said you had to mirror your data across multiple regions to prevent Amazon-caused data loss.

It’s not really Amazon-caused

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Post by Betelbuddy »

cmiles8 wrote: post #73

This interview with an AWS leader isn’t aging well, from CBS Sunday morning: Pogue asked, "I don't mean to give anyone ideas, but let's say I figured out that one of these unmarked buildings was an AWS data center, and I blew it up. Are you saying that it's so backed up and redundant that you probably wouldn't notice?" Wood replied, "Yeah, you wouldn't notice. I mean, we might be a bit upset, but you wouldn't notice!…

Clearly since the MBAs took over AWS standards are not anymore what they used to be. That marketing guy should not be talking to the press, as he does not have the skills, and if somebody happens to say...our data center we wont lose any data if we have an issue, without qualifying it will depend on what quality of service, and usage of our services you setup ...is the type of technical answer that should make a hiring interview stop at the moment.

He is also violating an enormous amount of compliance requirements, by disclosing the location of the data center, and having strange people inside making a tour. Did he vet the crew and their accompanying party? Did one of them accidentally left some kind of device within the insider perimeter? There at least one or two ISO certifications he is violating there. As customer I would be asking questions...

AWS always made very clear they wont copy your data to another region as only you know what your compliance and data residency requirements are. But at the same time they always said, its up to you to come your with your disaster recovery strategy based on your project requirements. And it has always been the case copying your critical data to another region is one of the first things on your check list.

And their Well Architected Framework and other docs make this plenty clear:

"It is a good practice to always make backups of your data, and copy these to another site (such as another AWS Region)."

Also...

"All DR strategies require that data sources are backed up within the AWS Region, and then those backups are copied to the recovery Region."

And also for single-Region / Multi-AZ architectures:

"Where possible, you should also copy data backups to another AWS Region as an additional layer of protection."

"AWS Architecture Blog — Disaster Recovery Architecture on AWS, Part II" has a whole section named "Backup to another AWS Region": "By copying your data to another Region, you can handle the largest scope of disasters."

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/architecture/disaster-recovery-...

Or "Creating backup copies across AWS Regions" - https://docs.aws.amazon.com/aws-backup/latest/devguide/cross...

This whole thread of people literally saying , "on no I trusted them...I did not know they could lose my data", with no technical context...is the the kind of incompetence I would expect from a generation raised on vibe coding and llm prompt driven miseducation...

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Post by jaggederest »

zxilly wrote: post #273
jaggederest wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were a bit more bloody-minded I would launch a service for vibe-coded apps that, under the hood, did everything "the right way" and just charged a flat fee + percent on the underlying. I feel like if this was done correctly it would eat a bunch of the market, but I question how many people are actually willing to pay for "the right way". The last time I had that experience it was with Heroku which was quite a le…

And the LLM say: "You're absolutely right! We didn't need jaggederest's service. We can build it easily."

Well, one of the things I would be very, very focused on is LLM optimization, so that is something that could be mitigated, at least. Especially since I would be building with it, certainly, I would try to engineer it so that it was to Mr. Claude / Mr. Gippity's taste

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Post by rcbdev »

mitxela wrote: post #290
00deadbeef wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not terrorism because it's self-defence and it's not war because Donald Trump says so

It's beyond the reasonable control of Jeff Bezos. Even though he supports trump with billions of dollars, he didn't ask for this particular war.

I just gave the crazy man a lot of money knowing he wants to start a holy war. I did not want him to fund this particular holy war that turned out to be disadvantageous to me!

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Post by ngc248 »

jaggederest wrote: post #197
jacquesm wrote: post #130

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The problem is that lots of people seem to be under the impression that they are doing it right because they are using AWS. They don't realize that AWS is a toolbox, not a 'ready made solution for redundancy against all catastrophes you are possibly exposed to'. They use that to their advantage by pricing such solutions at a level that people will either pay through the nose or will be left without recourse when AWS…

If I were a bit more bloody-minded I would launch a service for vibe-coded apps that, under the hood, did everything "the right way" and just charged a flat fee + percent on the underlying. I feel like if this was done correctly it would eat a bunch of the market, but I question how many people are actually willing to pay for "the right way". The last time I had that experience it was with Heroku which was quite a le…

1. There is no single "the right way", different app have different "right ways" 2. As for the flat fee, it only works initially when things are simple, as time goes on and your business and usecases you support grows, a flat fee won't work anymore.

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Post by Betelbuddy »

marcosdumay wrote: post #201
houssc wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The caveat is always "if you're using the service correctly " which is not necessarily free. Meaning taking advantage of multiple geo zones, building in redundancy to your stack, etc. Like everything he said is possible if your technology stack living in AWS was designed to survive it. Everyone who has ever had the "we lost your data" email from AWS knows at the end of the day the cloud is just someone else's data ce…

No, that quotation on the GP clearly states that AWS has enough redundancy within the same region that they will continue all services running on it if a datacenter is destroyed. It's very clearly not about you being able to set-up redundancy for yourself.

Get some training. You dont even understand the core concepts, and the difference between a data center and an availability zone...

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Post by dotancohen »

upboundspiral wrote: post #236
sokoloff wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What?! Publicly traded companies are not “legally bound to return growth in share price or dividends.” There are plenty of companies who pay no dividends and have not returned growth in share price. They’re still operating and no one’s coming to throw the execs in jail. On the off chance that there is such a law, please cite it.

Not a law perhaps, but an ingrained neoliberal philosophy that is pervasive in certain management cultures in the US definitely.

Neoliberal philosophy is stable ground for a lawsuit?

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Post by jaggederest »

ngc248 wrote: post #306
jaggederest wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were a bit more bloody-minded I would launch a service for vibe-coded apps that, under the hood, did everything "the right way" and just charged a flat fee + percent on the underlying. I feel like if this was done correctly it would eat a bunch of the market, but I question how many people are actually willing to pay for "the right way". The last time I had that experience it was with Heroku which was quite a le…

1. There is no single "the right way", different app have different "right ways" 2. As for the flat fee, it only works initially when things are simple, as time goes on and your business and usecases you support grows, a flat fee won't work anymore.

I mean I would be limiting it to a very specific use case, and the flat fee would be "plus a percentage of the underlying", something like $50/mo + 20% of the AWS spend underlying.

And for that, with a simplified use case, well, they can scale up to $20k+ a month if they like, that would be ideal, and if they need a more complicated setup or enterpriseyness, migrate off with my blessing and available-not-required hands on support (again for a reasonable fee, maybe $10k if you want the white glove).

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