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Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by pjbrunet »

mikeash wrote: post #37
w1ntermute wrote: post #24

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Another good one is the number of people that die in car accidents in the US every year, largely due to human error - 32,367 people in 2011. If the government took one tenth of the money it spends on defense every year (which was $1.030–$1.415 trillion for 2012), or approximately $100 billion dollars, and invested it in driverless car research and the infrastructure changes necessary for it, a much bigger benefit cou…

I use that one a lot. Roughly one 9/11 every month, continually, and nobody really cares.

If you want to play that game, nothing beats abortion deaths. http://www.numberofabortions.com/

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Post by namdnay »

tsotha wrote: post #163
ryguytilidie wrote: post #62

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Fox News would not exist if people weren't scared of foreigners blowing up their house in Nebraska because some Saudi's crashed a plane into the WTC 11 years ago.

Fox News exists because the other national broadcasters weren't serving half of the market. Not everyone is interested in getting the Democratic talking points of the day when they watch the news. That's not to say Fox has a high quality broadcast. It doesn't. But it's no worse than CNN or CBS, and it's certainly better than MSNBC.

> it's no worse than CNN or CBS, and it's certainly better than MSNBC

We haven't yet seen evidence of the head of CNN or CBS sending memos governing the angle under which the day's stories should be viewed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel_controversies#...).

However terrible CNN and CBS may be (take for example their outright cheerleading for the second iraq war), they remain organisations devoted to covering the news. Fox is devoted to controlling the news, which isn't the same thing.

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by mikeash »

pjbrunet wrote: post #181
mikeash wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use that one a lot. Roughly one 9/11 every month, continually, and nobody really cares.

If you want to play that game, nothing beats abortion deaths. http://www.numberofabortions.com/

Please take your disingenuous politicking elsewhere.

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Post by pjbrunet »

aioprisan wrote: post #140
kleiba wrote: post #131

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I would be surprised if deleting a mail from your gmail account would actually delete them from Google's servers?! I was always under the assumption that Google will store them until eternity. But as assumptions go, I can't really back that up -- but perhaps someone on HN has better knowledge?

I'd be interested to hear about this as well.

Good question. I deleted my Amazon account about a year ago which wasn't easy--required back and forth correspondence with tech support: "Yes, I'm absolutely 100% sure I really, really understand the implications of deleting my account." In any case, I keep getting Amazon gift cards from people so I go to sign up to Amazon for a new account. Turns out my account was never actually deleted, I was able to click "forgot my password" and they still had a record of everything.

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Post by driverdan »

pjbrunet wrote: post #181
mikeash wrote: post #37

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I use that one a lot. Roughly one 9/11 every month, continually, and nobody really cares.

If you want to play that game, nothing beats abortion deaths. http://www.numberofabortions.com/

Play what game? Abortion has nothing to do with what is being discussed.

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by pjbrunet »

toofishes wrote: post #73
rsync wrote: post #9

If you don't host your own mail server, you are a clown-person. Joe 6 pack has an excuse, but nobody here does.

If you don't run your own post office, you are a clown-person. Joe 6 pack has an excuse, but nobody here does.

I really LOL ;-)

Yes, Google-Yahoo-MSN, they have the best spam filters because they receive more spam than anyone--that allows them to identify it faster and more accurately. I doubt SpamAssassin will ever match them. Wasn't very effective for me, false-positives are the worst. And seems to me a mail server is just another open door for hackers and spammers to walk in and use your memory and CPU 99.99% of the day. So call me a clown-person. Like someone already said, mail servers are cryptic, complex and unwieldy and I think that's been true since at least the 90s. Not to mention, webmail is really convenient and fast and reliable. Last time I used an email client was the time I had to download 200 worms from POP before I could see my real email.

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Post by Hikari »

tsotha wrote: post #158
Hikari wrote: post #153

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wtf would do you know about it ? if you have nothing to back up your claims then it might be better to just keep it quit.

I know documentation was found in Afghanistan outlining attempts to acquire sarin gas for use in a terrorist attack in the US. On the other hand, maybe it was all faked, right, like the WTC attack? Maybe you should keep it "quit" yourself. And while you're keeping it "quit", take an English class. I would advise keeping it "quit" during the class so the teacher doesn't realize you're not the sharpest tooth on the saw…

sorry for that I have been too busy learning Chinese, french Italian and Spanish. can't have it all.

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Post by tsotha »

namdnay wrote: post #183
tsotha wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fox News exists because the other national broadcasters weren't serving half of the market. Not everyone is interested in getting the Democratic talking points of the day when they watch the news. That's not to say Fox has a high quality broadcast. It doesn't. But it's no worse than CNN or CBS, and it's certainly better than MSNBC.

> it's no worse than CNN or CBS, and it's certainly better than MSNBC We haven't yet seen evidence of the head of CNN or CBS sending memos governing the angle under which the day's stories should be viewed ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel_controversies#... ). However terrible CNN and CBS may be (take for example their outright cheerleading for the second iraq war), they remain organisations devoted to…

I don't find it controversial when a company's management gives editorial directives to its employees. I expect CNN and CBS do the same thing even if we don't have copies of the memos. Certainly it's not difficult to detect an editorial slant in their news coverage.

Why didn't CBS fire Dan Rather immediately when Rathergate came to light? It's hard for me to imagine Fox easing out someone slowly after they'd left its reputation in taters.

>However terrible CNN and CBS may be (take for example their outright cheerleading for the second iraq war), they remain organisations devoted to covering the news.

I haven't seen much evidence of that, especially lately when they've used every possible angle after the Connecticut shooting in their full-throated advocacy of gun control.

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Post by tsotha »

gnaritas wrote: post #179
tsotha wrote: post #174

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No it isn't. That's exactly the sort of thing that makes conservatives distrust the liberal media. Being lied to for political gain.

False equivalence. Fox lies far more than any other station, finding a lie on CNN doesn't justify the "liberal media" non-sense conservatives have made up. Conservatives distrust the media because they don't like hearing things that don't jive with the belief system and reality is full of those things; it's as simple as that. Colbert nailed it when he said reality has a liberal bias, as did Stewart when he dubbed Fox…

>False equivalence. Fox lies far more than any other station, finding a lie on CNN doesn't justify the "liberal media" non-sense conservatives have made up.

If it's false equivalence then the difference lands in my favor. Fox has never used obviously fake documents to try to throw an election like that. And there's reason to believe "Fox lies more than any other station", no matter how many times liberals tell each other that's the case. The lying from CNN and (of course) MSNBC has been epic over the last few weeks.

Oh, and by the way, Rathergate was CBS, not CNN. At least try to get your facts straight.

>Conservatives distrust the media because they don't like hearing things that don't jive with the belief system and reality is full of those things; it's as simple as that.

This is just projection. Leftists in the US are angry at Fox because they no longer control 100% of the narrative. The idea this has anything to do with objective reporting is just conceit on your part.

>Colbert nailed it when he said reality has a liberal bias, as did Stewart when he dubbed Fox bullshit mountain.

The reason people on the left find Colbert and Stewart funny is they tell you what you want to hear. What Colbert "nailed" was his audience, and if you had any capacity for self reflection you would realize this.

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