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Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by dhimes »

gnaritas wrote: post #144
ams6110 wrote: post #141

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Given that Romney got a lower turnout than McCain, it certainly seems that some number of people have left the party, or are at least witholding support for the time being.

I'll grant you that; but abstaining doesn't help much. They should be splitting the party and separating the real conservatives from the religious right.

That's going to take time- plus I'm not sure they will attain critical mass for a party to succeed. I bet most self-professed 'conservatives' would argue that Republicans are conservative. It seems to be a religion or something.

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Post by niels_olson »

gnaritas wrote: post #88
cglace wrote: post #67

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> Have you met the republican party? Their entire base lives off fear. First off not all in the republican party can be characterized this way. You are painting with very broad strokes. Many turn the republican party because they are the closest they can get to their economic beliefs. > It's not fear of death or injury, but fear of "other", of change, of being marginalized. Do you honestly believe this? Do you get yo…

> First off not all in the republican party can be characterized this way. Duh. Do I really need to preface every statement I make with "this is a generalization that doesn't apply to every single person" or can I just assume that you have some intelligence and don't assume everyone speaks in absolute terms and that when I said base , that quite obviously doesn't mean everyone. > You are painting with very broad stro…

+1 to gnaritas side here. I'm in the military, home of record is Texas, grew up in Kansas and Nebraska (what got me to read this thread), spent 95% of my adult life south of the Mason-Dixon line. Not all Republicans are crazy, but the disease of "Republican crazy" is rampant. See XKCD #1127 for another perspective. https://xkcd.com/1127/

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Post by tsotha »

ryguytilidie wrote: post #62
revelation wrote: post #41

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Is there really actual fear today in a western country? I think actual fear would have to come from injuries to someone you know and can feel empathy towards. Dunbars number suggests theres only very little of that based on the number of deaths due to terrorism.

Fox News would not exist if people weren't scared of foreigners blowing up their house in Nebraska because some Saudi's crashed a plane into the WTC 11 years ago.

Fox News exists because the other national broadcasters weren't serving half of the market. Not everyone is interested in getting the Democratic talking points of the day when they watch the news.

That's not to say Fox has a high quality broadcast. It doesn't. But it's no worse than CNN or CBS, and it's certainly better than MSNBC.

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Post by gnaritas »

niels_olson wrote: post #162
gnaritas wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> First off not all in the republican party can be characterized this way. Duh. Do I really need to preface every statement I make with "this is a generalization that doesn't apply to every single person" or can I just assume that you have some intelligence and don't assume everyone speaks in absolute terms and that when I said base , that quite obviously doesn't mean everyone. > You are painting with very broad stro…

+1 to gnaritas side here. I'm in the military, home of record is Texas, grew up in Kansas and Nebraska (what got me to read this thread), spent 95% of my adult life south of the Mason-Dixon line. Not all Republicans are crazy, but the disease of "Republican crazy" is rampant. See XKCD #1127 for another perspective. https://xkcd.com/1127/

Also did the military. And yes, not all republicans are crazy, but most crazies are republicans.

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Post by gnaritas »

cobrausn wrote: post #146
gnaritas wrote: post #136

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These true conservatives might have left the party, but they're still voting for the party because I don't see any big shift in representatives yet that mirrors this big exodus you speak of. I know many such ex-republicans, they all still voted Romney and republican despite their vocal protests of the party.

That's not all too different from Democrats who criticize Obama w.r.t. drone warfare, whistle blower prosecution, etc, but vote for him anyhow.

It's much different; we criticize Obama but don't consider him a DINO and want to kick him out of the party. Republicans tend to eat their own, they want ideological purity in a way Democrats never have. Democrats tolerate ideological differences within the party and within congressional votes vastly more than republicans do.

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by gnaritas »

temp453463343 wrote: post #157
enraged_camel wrote: post #155

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>> Terrorism isn't about death, it's about terror, putting people in a state of fear. The war on terror isn't about preventing death, it's about preventing fear. Then it is the greatest irony of all time that people have become more fearful of surveillance and persecution by their own governments than some terrorists who live overseas.

The vast majority of people don't live in fear of their governments because they don't care. In fact, fear of government controlling out lives is mostly an American collective psychosis. (even then limited to internet activists, survivalists, gun horders etc.) Not to say it's without merit, but this really doesn't preoccupy people's thoughts in other countries. I've tried to explaining to Japanese and British people…

It's because they're not infected since childhood with the particular American psychosis we call individuality and damn anyone else cause I got mine. That's very American.

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Post by corford »

corford wrote: post #134
nwh wrote: post #128

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I keep hearing the name. I'm going to chuck it onto a VM and try it out.

I'm running it on two small sites ( The webmail interface is the best opensource one I've come across (easily beats redcube) and active sync works fine with iphone 4/5 and android.

lol freudian slip! Redcube should have read Roundcube :D

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Post by gnaritas »

tsotha wrote: post #163
ryguytilidie wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fox News would not exist if people weren't scared of foreigners blowing up their house in Nebraska because some Saudi's crashed a plane into the WTC 11 years ago.

Fox News exists because the other national broadcasters weren't serving half of the market. Not everyone is interested in getting the Democratic talking points of the day when they watch the news. That's not to say Fox has a high quality broadcast. It doesn't. But it's no worse than CNN or CBS, and it's certainly better than MSNBC.

> Fox News exists because the other national broadcasters weren't serving half of the market

Yes, the half that want to be lied to because reality is too distressing for them; so distressing in fact that they call reality liberal media bias.

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