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Post by theptip »

grey-area wrote: post #109
theptip wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you describe is IMO “fully obtained AGI”, what I’m arguing for is consistent with “ That said AGI is a fuzzy term and you’ll model the world poorly if you treat it as a binary state.

Prominent figures in OpenAI have claimed they have already attained AGI. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/openai-releases-its-lat... "OpenAI released its latest model, GPT-6 Astra, on Thursday, with company President Greg Brockman calling it the beginning of the artificial general intelligence (AGI) era." But they're still peddling ads instead of improving the world. How odd.

Sure, they claimed it, that doesn’t affect my world model above.

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Post by LoganDark »

Gud wrote: post #159
c-linkage wrote: post #132

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Everything on the internet is free. Everyone expects everything on the internet to be free. Therefore, everything is run on ads.

Not true, this very site has no ads.

Uh, yes it does? HN has tons of "[some YC startup] is hiring a [something]". Not sure if they're paid though.

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Post by therealdrag0 »

grey-area wrote: post #129
therealdrag0 wrote: post #120

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They can talk about AGI without claiming the current model is AI. They can talk about emergent intelligence without claiming it’s AGI. And businesses can work on multiple things with different goals without being contradictory.

They have in fact claimed this. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/openai-releases-its-lat...

It’s a silly semantic debate. It’s an argument about what other peoples words mean in their mind and the smug comments about it are incredibly banal.

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Post by juiceland »

bix6 wrote: post #131
juiceland wrote: post #124

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Most people either don't care or actually like targeted ads. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1411110/consumer-percept...

57% of people like being reminded about stuff left in their cart? My god we are cooked.

Universally the answer I get whenever I ask non-tech people about targeted ads, the response I get is “well I want the ads to be for things I would actually buy.” I can’t get anyone to question why the ads are there to begin with.

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Post by [deleted] »

bondarchuk wrote: post #128
cmiles8 wrote: post #22

Who actually wants this? I guess we’re about to find out if this helps put out the massive pile of burning cash that OpenAI is trying to deal with, but I know nobody that wants this. OpenAI claims we’re near AGI and this is the best strategy they have? Oy vey!

The whole world is drowning in ads, and people have by and large done nothing about it. Revealed preference is that the vast majority of people support ads.

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Post by zamadatix »

bondarchuk wrote: post #128
cmiles8 wrote: post #22

Who actually wants this? I guess we’re about to find out if this helps put out the massive pile of burning cash that OpenAI is trying to deal with, but I know nobody that wants this. OpenAI claims we’re near AGI and this is the best strategy they have? Oy vey!

The whole world is drowning in ads, and people have by and large done nothing about it. Revealed preference is that the vast majority of people support ads.

Revealed preference tells you which of the given options people prefer over the others made available, not which they support. Sometimes that's the same thing, sometimes it's not.

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Post by preg_match »

tene80i wrote: post #143
probably_wrong wrote: post #107

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The fact that ads are one of two types of content for which people regularly install blockers (with porn coming second) speaks volumes about how useful they really are.

You're both right. Some people hate ads. Some people find ads (usually well-targeted ads) helpful for discovering new things that could help them. Different people find different things helpful / intolerable.

Ads are universally bad, even for the people who like them. They don’t actually like ads, they like consumerism and the act of spending money when they don’t need to. Which isn’t surprising, it feels good.

So, why isn’t “discovering new things” a real defense? Because ads are not ranked by quality or usefulness. The “new thing” you see has no bearing on how good it actually is.

If you wanted to discover a new thing you need for a purpose, you’d look up products around that purpose. Then, you’d choose based off of quality, price, and typical consumer decision making.

Seeing an ad destroys that decision making. It’s just served to you. So, you typically buy worse products, at a worse price, that serve you less. So, even if you wanted to find new things, ads are the worst way to do that.

That’s because the key purpose of ads is to manipulate people to spend money they wouldn’t otherwise spend. That’s their singular purpose. Well, if the product was good and useful, then you would’ve spent the money anyway. What does that leave? Only products you don’t want very much, but can be manipulated into buying anyway. That serves no consumers.

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