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PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by itomato »

Game_Ender wrote: post #24

The headline here is off, PS5 Linux relies on bugs for installs, and the project couldn’t keep the last know hypervisor bug secret: > Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony,” the modder said on social media. “I asked them to at least wait for GTA 6 to come out so that people would have the opportunity to legally purchase the game and also enj…

Lowered the barrier to entry, but also raised the stakes. My money is on dedication to the high-stakes problem.

How old was this bug? How much energy has been devoted to RE of this proprietary console? Not enough, apparently.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by zorkonator »

oridb wrote: post #37
aleksejs wrote: post #22

Fascinating times we live in, when "the last hypervisor bug" in what is presumably one of the most hardened pieces of consumer hardware can be found by "noobs" and "slop kiddies".

Well, sure, the same way that I can "cook" a three michelin star meal by going out to eat at the French Laundry. It's just boring. And the people that crow about "their" accomplishments are tiresome.

Hypervisor bugs are boring? Maybe to you.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by lovich »

arnaudsm wrote: post #30
seki285 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing misleading about the title and you are splitting hairs.

Omitting half of the story is misleading, this isn't a pro/anti LLM story. Vibecoding has been the norm for months, it's the embargo violation today that triggered his resignation.

> …been the norm for months…

You know, it’s petty, but I think one of the things I hate the most about AI is that it surpassed front end JavaScript frameworks in terms of changing what the standard is every few years.

What’s the point of learning anything if it becomes obsolete faster than the seasons change?

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by deletedie »

sva_ wrote: post #33
arnaudsm wrote: post #12

Misleading title, there's another major reason: it's an embargo agreement violation that jeopardizes Linux support on PS5. https://x.com/theflow0/status/2099987019954831744

> The scene used to be a group of highly talented researchers, but now it is just a bunch of noobs using LLMs and writing hacks they don't even understand. Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony. Sounds like he is salty that somebody found an exploit using LLM that he found manually (which probably took a significant amount of time.) I can pa…

Rather, he's annoyed because the LLM User submitted the exploit to Sony (to get paid) and killed the only known viable path forward for development.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by vouaobrasil »

eugenekolo wrote: post #29

Hobby groups projects like this are less fun for a lot of people who used to enjoy interacting with smart people. It's definitely become a game of just spam claude for answers with zero understanding or care for how anything actually works. That's fine to get things done and fine for a lot of side projects, but it definitely ruins the joy that people have in understanding systems and working with intellectuals.

In general, society is experience a decoupling of fun from work. I can't say I enjoy every aspect of my job, but it's nice to enjoy some of it, and lots of people do find a lot of their job at least somewhat rewarding.

People who hate their job of course like to come out of the woodwork and say no one should enjoy it, but isn't it nice to have a society where at least some people can enjoy their work? I used to enjoy teaching but I'd never get a teaching job now because of how AI is being used in that sector.

Technophiles will say that we should embrace the future because its inevitable but how many good people quitting does it take before they realize that a vibe-coded future of fun isn't all there is to life?

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by Jtsummers »

mrbonner wrote: post #36
viktorcode wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't find that offensive at all. People do not understand the code they make AI to generate, but that doesn't stop them from submitting. This is a real problem that has hit many open source projects, and I expect more and more of them will introduce barriers to submission.

It’s not only for coding. If my coworker send me a lengthy doc that obviously 100% written by AI without even reviewed/revised by them, I wouldn’t read because it is a waste of my time and an insult to me.

We removed a guy from a project for doing something like that. North of 100 pages, and mostly wrong. What wasn't wrong was so generic it was useless. I don't know what he's working on now, but at least it's not our stuff.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by monegator »

WD-42 wrote: post #27
Game_Ender wrote: post #24

The headline here is off, PS5 Linux relies on bugs for installs, and the project couldn’t keep the last know hypervisor bug secret: > Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony,” the modder said on social media. “I asked them to at least wait for GTA 6 to come out so that people would have the opportunity to legally purchase the game and also enj…

So the slop kiddies both don’t understand what they are doing, and they ruin the party for everyone else. Nice.

As usual: Normies end up destroying every community they get into

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by _zoltan_ »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #28
_zoltan_ wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> I find this very offensive. You shouldn't, unless you're producing a bunch of code you don't understand.

you might be OK with calling everybody using LLMs a bunch of noobs. I disagree. this has nothing to do with my own usage.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by jwcooper »

0x69420 wrote: post #26

now imagine how many other devs and maintainers are contemplating this but just haven't been pushed to their personal breaking point yet. or take note of how many, when asked about the spam problem, just nervously go "yeah it's kinda rough haha...". or how many will vent about it on their twitter-like of choice with increasing frequency. remember hacktoberfest 2020? that's just all public-facing source 365 days a yea…

I would guess we'll start seeing more open source projects with much tighter restrictions on who can participate. Closed contributions and heavily automated (or even closed) issue tracking is probably already happening and will spread faster.

I entirely sympathize with these maintainers too. I've had 2 instances where an LLM has surfaced a bug and I just couldn't get myself to open a PR and dump more work onto these maintainers, even after manually writing one up (neither were critical bugs, it's fine).

Seeing popular projects (like hermes) having 5k issues and 5k pull requests is madness.

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