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PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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I would hardly call the requirement to understand the code you push "gatekeeping".

LLMs make excellent people better and mediocre people confident, from first hand experience working with both and asking both cohorts to show me how they use them.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Misleading title, there's another major reason: it's an embargo agreement violation that jeopardizes Linux support on PS5. https://x.com/theflow0/status/2099987019954831744

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I don't find that offensive at all. People do not understand the code they make AI to generate, but that doesn't stop them from submitting. This is a real problem that has hit many open source projects, and I expect more and more of them will introduce barriers to submission.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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The headline here is off, PS5 Linux relies on bugs for installs, and the project couldn’t keep the last know hypervisor bug secret:

> Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony,” the modder said on social media. “I asked them to at least wait for GTA 6 to come out so that people would have the opportunity to legally purchase the game and also enjoy linux. They agreed to wait, but not a day passed and they decided to waste it instead.”

So what has really happened is the LLMs have lowered the participation floor for this space enough the dynamics are changing. The new comers would rather have a few dollars vs. the founders who would rather have a project. It’s likely the projects days were numbered either way because Sony could also just take a frontier LLM and examine any released installer for the project and reverse engineer and bug.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It has been a week of you on this site and you haven't even bought a mirror. I'm sure you do realise you're talking about yourself?

I’m confused.

Is the “power of the community” to narc on themselves to the corporations that they are building their community around, only to have the corporations destroy the community’s efforts?

Because that’s what happened here. This isn’t a case of gatekeepers self selecting out.

This is a case of slop kiddies making it impossible for him to continue to do his work by reporting it to Sony for personal profit and having them lock down the exploits he was using.

If that’s the power of the community, if that is the future, then he is right and you are wrong.

This is not a case of a gatekeeper slowing down development. This is a case of the slop kids making it fucking impossible to continue development.

This is the worst outcome and your brain is so cooked by AI that you’re seeing it as the opposite.

Where is the AI generated Linux kernel for PS5?

What lockdown corporate product have the slop coders managed to put Linux on? Anybody vibe cracked an oculus headset or Apple Vision Pro or the Xbox?

Some individual profited and the community ended up with less.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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now imagine how many other devs and maintainers are contemplating this but just haven't been pushed to their personal breaking point yet. or take note of how many, when asked about the spam problem, just nervously go "yeah it's kinda rough haha...". or how many will vent about it on their twitter-like of choice with increasing frequency.

remember hacktoberfest 2020? that's just all public-facing source 365 days a year now, except instead of "updated README.md" it's some vaguely-plausible fix... then you read the PR body and someone couldn't even be bothered to, or, just as likely couldn't explain it themselves. and that sort of sinking dread sets in.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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The headline here is off, PS5 Linux relies on bugs for installs, and the project couldn’t keep the last know hypervisor bug secret: > Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony,” the modder said on social media. “I asked them to at least wait for GTA 6 to come out so that people would have the opportunity to legally purchase the game and also enj…

So the slop kiddies both don’t understand what they are doing, and they ruin the party for everyone else. Nice.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Misleading title, there's another major reason: it's an embargo agreement violation that jeopardizes Linux support on PS5. https://x.com/theflow0/status/2099987019954831744

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> I find this very offensive.

You shouldn't, unless you're producing a bunch of code you don't understand.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Hobby groups projects like this are less fun for a lot of people who used to enjoy interacting with smart people. It's definitely become a game of just spam claude for answers with zero understanding or care for how anything actually works. That's fine to get things done and fine for a lot of side projects, but it definitely ruins the joy that people have in understanding systems and working with intellectuals.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Misleading title, there's another major reason: it's an embargo agreement violation that jeopardizes Linux support on PS5. https://x.com/theflow0/status/2099987019954831744

Nothing misleading about the title and you are splitting hairs.

Omitting half of the story is misleading, this isn't a pro/anti LLM story.

Vibecoding has been the norm for months, it's the embargo violation today that triggered his resignation.

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