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EU chief opens door for Canada to become 'associate member'

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Re: EU chief opens door for Canada to become 'associate member'

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Post by mejutoco »

fidotron wrote: post #283
klelatti wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Carney was asking for freedom of movement of goods, people and services, but without full monetary and legislative integration. > no payments into each others budget. Not going to happen! To enable free movement of goods and services the EU insists that the goods and services are produced in an identical regulatory environment. Even when the regimes are basically identical - eg the UK - then the EU doesn't permit i…

It's actually going to raise questions as to why the EU are A-OK with this now when a possible interpretation of associate membership is it's what Cameron was trying to negotiate the UK into when complete inflexibility on the EU side triggered the Brexit referendum. All depends on what an associate member is of course.

> Cameron was trying to negotiate the UK into when complete inflexibility on the EU side triggered the Brexit referendum.

You are assigning too much responsibility to the EU here and none to the other actors responsible for Brexit. It borders on propaganda, but I do not want to assume ill intent.

And Cameron, didnt he say he would guide UK no matter the result and then resigned when Brexit won?

Re: EU chief opens door for Canada to become 'associate member'

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Post by bryanlarsen »

gizajob wrote: post #661
theplumber wrote: post #589

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This is was about immigration. I don’t understand why people are still in denial about this. I am pretty sure it would have happened anyway regardless of what economic concessions UK would have got. It’s worth to note that the immigration is still an issue in the UK and the EU and I think more EU members will leave because of this.

I think this is what will kill it in Canada too. There’s maybe only a million Canadian citizens who would be interested in the idea of freedom of movement to Europe. There’s probably 10-20 million Canadian citizens who would be a hard “absolutely no way” to opening their borders to 250 million random Europeans in return.

44% of Canadians support re-opening immigration; I'm willing to bet that a larger number would support immigration from EU nations.

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Post by boringg »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #492
bko wrote: post #435

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I was surprised to learn that Canada doesn't even have free trade across their own provenances. A big benefit of the United States is that it's essentially a very large free trade zone across 50 states. If Canada wanted to facilitate trade, I would imagine they would figure it out internally. So my guess is that this is just giving up some political autonomy for some unknown reason, maybe to stick it to the US?

The biggest trade barriers between Canadian provinces are labor licensing laws. The biggest trade barriers between American states are labor licensing laws. The second biggest trade barriers between Canada provinces are liquor regulations. The second biggest trade barriers between American states are likely car emission laws. Fairly comparable, IMO.

Not comparable at all. The US is one market unless you have a compelling reason to protect your state market. Canada is 10 separate markets with provincial agreements between them - all protecting themselves. Easiest example is Quebec.

I.e. Opt in vs Opt out but more complicated.

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Post by superxpro12 »

FabCH wrote: post #106
neom wrote: post #75

No idea what this actually means, if it means easier trade, I'm all for anything that reduces our dependency on the yanks, as long as we don't need to be involved in their regulatory or legal regimes. The Americans are no longer our friends, Salut, mes amis Européens. :)

Carney was asking for freedom of movement of goods, people and services, but without full monetary and legislative integration. So, easier to sell stuff, easier to buy stuff, free to just travel to/from Canada/EU and work there with no extra paperwork, free to buy and sell service from Canada to EU and vice versa. No Euro, no vote in EU, no ECJ, no payments into each others budget. Tighter integration than UK, not as…

I fully support eurovision-based enrollment tbh

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Post by gizajob »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #682
gizajob wrote: post #661

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is what will kill it in Canada too. There’s maybe only a million Canadian citizens who would be interested in the idea of freedom of movement to Europe. There’s probably 10-20 million Canadian citizens who would be a hard “absolutely no way” to opening their borders to 250 million random Europeans in return.

44% of Canadians support re-opening immigration; I'm willing to bet that a larger number would support immigration from EU nations.

So you’re saying 56% of Canadians would vote No?

Re: EU chief opens door for Canada to become 'associate member'

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Post by coffeebeqn »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #525
b3lvedere wrote: post #490

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“Canada cannot be an EU member (it isn't in Europe)” I think the construct of geographical location should not be that big of an issue in these times. Plenty of EU countries have overseas properties.

It's the law and it should be very strictly enforced because otherwise it'd open the door for the Middle East and North Africa... But I don't think Canada would want to join the EU, it's anti-Trump bluster.

Middle eastern or North African countries can’t join because the member states don’t want them to join and they need unanimous agreement. See Turkeys failed bid for example. Even a country with positive general public appeal like Ukraine is very unlikely to join in the next 10 years

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Post by tranceylc »

Rover222 wrote: post #655
neom wrote: post #75

No idea what this actually means, if it means easier trade, I'm all for anything that reduces our dependency on the yanks, as long as we don't need to be involved in their regulatory or legal regimes. The Americans are no longer our friends, Salut, mes amis Européens. :)

Do Canadians think "Yanks" is some sort of insult? I guess it's the white version of saying Gringo. Canada's economy is propped up by Alberta's energy production, which you my loose because they're so disgusted with the liberal politics. Anyway, good luck with revitalizing the economy by trading with a bloc of countries in economic decline.

Canadians are not using that as a real insult, no. “Child fucker” is an insult that is often used, however the USA does not consider that an insult.

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Post by whisperenjoyer »

Fnoord wrote: post #360
ChrisRR wrote: post #224

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This was one of the stupid things that was touted as a benefit of not being in the EU during brexit. That we'd still have to comply with EU rules if we wanted to trade with them, but we wouldn't have any vote in those rules

Well, the Brexit campaign was manipulated by a state actor (or rather: 'a criminal actor disguised as a state'). None of the alt-right nationalism is in the long-term benefits of the country. This is globalism, the end game. You either team up, thereby reducing your costs, or you get swallowed. Ask Ukraine, Tibet, Hong Kong how it worked out for them not belonging to a bigger team. So divide and conquer is a logical…

> Ask Ukraine

The whole political course of Ukraine in the last ~20 years is mostly about teaming up with EU and NATO, isn't it?

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