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EU chief opens door for Canada to become 'associate member'

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Post by kakacik »

dosisking wrote: post #123
cbg0 wrote: post #80

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You've said a bunch of things that don't really equate to "China already won".

> You've said a bunch of things that don't really equate to "China already won". There is no path for victory for the US, where it remains the world's reserve currency. China will become the world's reserve currency by 2032. You are simply in denial. Everything that I wrote points to China winning.

Folks can keep their heads in the sand for pretty long, as long as they look just at progressively smaller circle around them and ignore rest of reality.

The momentum China already gained, and gaining more every day is well beyond anything in the west. Plus if you consider the position they are rising from, its properly meteoric. Nobody knows future, but its rather easy to continue projection with current, or even a bit slower pace and within 1 or 2 decades, situation will be pretty clear from any objective perspective.

Above is purely technological/process progress. Add US making enemy of whole world in one brilliant move, something that is practically irreversible in upcoming decades, and situation is clear. Military (without ammo) alone won't give you much negotiating power. LLMs can be replicated elsewhere with rather little cost, and soon some small bleeding edge advantage will be largely meaningless for most practical tasks.

It doesn't even matter what near future brings, this is settled and no amount of denial from US or self-patting is changing that.

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Post by graemep »

khalic wrote: post #160
graemep wrote: post #112

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> Yes, you can read all about how that came about, and how it's going. Yes, it seems to have made no difference. economically - economy performing much the same as France and Germany. Lots of lives saved by the faster covid vaccine rollout which is a plus IMO. > You're projecting an American ideal. Not all nations are--nor want to be--America, and we're thankful for that. You are missing my point. Not annexing anyone…

edit: removed, didn’t properly read the context

> Do you seriously consider invasion of other countries a good thing

No, of course not. I really do not understand how you interpreted what I said as saying taht.

Can people please read what I said in the context of the comment i replied to!

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Post by CJefferson »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #177
pbkompasz wrote: post #174

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From which country? I was from the US last time, Russia before that.

Well seeing as both Russia and the US want to mess with Canada and Europe, it’s doesn’t make that much difference, bot wise.

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Post by mcv »

invaliduser wrote: post #81
krona wrote: post #42

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70% of Canadian exports are to the US. 6% to the EU. Why would e.g. Poland want to enter a trade war with the US on Canada's behalf?

If "70% of Canadian exports are to the US", that's probably why the US has so much leverage, and I can see why the Canadian government would like a change. Hence the need for a rebalancing of trade partnerships.

I'd like to take a closer look at what exactly Canada is exporting to the US, and what exactly the EU is importing from elsewhere, to see if there's a match. I'd rather buy from Canada than from Russia. Or China. Or the US.

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Post by SyneRyder »

post-it wrote: post #118
FabCH wrote: post #106

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Carney was asking for freedom of movement of goods, people and services, but without full monetary and legislative integration. So, easier to sell stuff, easier to buy stuff, free to just travel to/from Canada/EU and work there with no extra paperwork, free to buy and sell service from Canada to EU and vice versa. No Euro, no vote in EU, no ECJ, no payments into each others budget. Tighter integration than UK, not as…

Canada will be competing in Eurovision 2027 in May. :)

Also, being a European Broadcasting Union (EBU) "Associate Member" is the name for the mechanism that allowed Australia, Canada and other countries to be admitted into Eurovision.

If you've been around the ESC scene, you know there's a lot of embassy involvement (parties in embassies are a thing), the scene is catnip for those interested in politics, the politically active, and to some extent politicians. Eurovision is also one mechanism for discussions of economic development. Hosting the contest is usually an excuse for upgrades to public infrastructure.

And there's Eurovision Asia starting in November. South Korea is an Associate Member of the EBU, for example.

https://www.ebu.ch/news/2026/03/bangkok-to-host-first-ever-e...

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Post by phs318u »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #166
petcat wrote: post #109

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Hopefully Canada can just get the economic benefits and not end up having to be subject to the insane stuff like Chat Control

> Canada's Bill C-22 Would Force Encryption Backdoors > Signal, Windscribe, and NordVPN say they'll pull out of Canada before building surveillance infrastructure. The biggest threat to encrypted communications in a Western democracy since Australia's 2018 law. https://stateofsurveillance.org/news/canada-bill-c22-lawful-...

And yet NordVPN and Signal both continue to work in Australia (I don't know who/what Windscribe are), so all other things aside, I suspect this is a hollow threat.

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Post by hhh »

jcfrei wrote: post #114
cbg0 wrote: post #91

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> The EU needs to be truly Federal to succeed economically. That might create uniform regulations with more uniform regulations and actually make Europe competitive. EU already has uniform regulations, what are you talking about? It's also the third largest economy in the world, as uncompetitive as it is.

No it does not. There's a lot of gold plating happening at the national level that goes beyond EU regulations. It's EU regulations + 27 national regulations in reality. The EU economies are still too different and the population too unwilling to have a truly US-style single market.

What exactly is the difference between that and 50 states having their own regulations?

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Post by layer8 »

drstewart wrote: post #181
tvbusy wrote: post #9

Good news. This world needs more cooperation and friendship.

Define what "friendship" means here and how that differs from "economic or political interests", please?

It means shared values and a willingness to hold long-term commitments.

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Post by petesergeant »

pyrale wrote: post #34
0xpgm wrote: post #6

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One thing that is common about middle democracies is that prioritize a bureaucratic elite structure over an entrepreneurship culture, while both the US and China embrace entreprenuership wholeheartedly. If they changed that they'd perhaps become world powers themselves.

> One thing that is common about middle democracies is that prioritize a bureaucratic elite structure over an entrepreneurship culture No, that's just the 2010s propaganda fed to you by people who assert that not letting them do whatever they want is "bureaucratic". These very same people are completely fine lobbying legislature for more moat when they benefit from it. The difference between "middle democracies" or w…

Heavily country-dependent, in practice. The UK lets you set up a company online cheaply, quickly, and filing is easy. Insurance is plentiful and sensible, as are business bank accounts. The law is mostly straight-forward. Setting up a German limited-liability company OTOH involves putting down some ghastly large sum as a guarantee.

But yes, Americans are told they have the freest speech and the freest markets, and don't seem to question either.

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