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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by tyrabound »

apt-get wrote: post #166
tyrabound wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's odd that you would jump to "Russian op" and hedging by _not_ asserting that it is "definitely" one; but it very well could also be and arguably even is far more likely an act by someone who would benefit form scaring the public and manipulating the affected governments. I'm not going to assert at all, one way or another who it may be because it could be several actors with interests in producing outcomes of fear…

> One thing that logic would dictate though is that Russia would be extremely low on the list of suspects since they gain nothing and are negatively affected in every manner possible by being in any way behind such actions. Or one could choose not to take this in isolation from all the acts of brazen and identified sabotage Russia does, slashing deep-sea cables in international waters with their shadow fleets, organi…

Keep on believing those lies like a good Fox News level cog

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by spwa4 »

adwn wrote: post #443
kadoban wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because the Kremlin wants europe to take an overt action to justify mobilization. Do they? Why? They're already in a stalemate of a conflict, why would they want more fully-mobilized enemies?

Russia wants an excuse to justify mobilization in Russia , not in Europe.

Really? Unless they are complete morons they realize something. If you take EU governments, any random country, as a general rule government expenditures go like this:

35% pensions (usually also has some health care here)

35% social security and health care

15% education

15% everything else, roads, bridges, government buildings, ... (army is in here @ maybe 5%)

They're also drowning in debt, of the non-tiny, only Germany does better than the US. So they can't realistically borrow to finance this for 5 years. They're trying to cheat, and treat the EU like a separate country (meaning get investors to treat the EU as a separate state that is not on the hook for the debt of member countries but levies it's own taxes, then borrow against that, but EU countries are cheating, for example using money the EU borrowed for military purposes to fund general expenses like fixing roads)

If the EU countries mobilize the army will go to 20-25% of government expenditures easily.

That means either pensions or social security HAVE TO go down 15% (or 7.5% each). That will cause a revolt since a great many people can't survive like that. At that point there will be no choice for a lot of people but to tear the government down.

That may be the plan of course.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by tomhow »

greenleafone7 wrote: post #251
paganel wrote: post #142

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by tomhow »

dakolli wrote: post #23
sorenjan wrote: post #12

A Russian warship fired flares at a Danish military helicopter in international waters in the Baltic sea too. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwn8mjl31p5yo

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by TacticalCoder »

apt-get wrote: post #3

Just days after a similar (criminal) incident causing a train to derail in France: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2026/09/12/french-p... "close to Renault's factory in the town of Cléon", which is now preparing to start manufacturing drones for the French military, in collaboration with Ukrainian military-industrial groups.

Leaving aside the irony in seeing the "peaceful" EU (who bet it all on Uncle Sam) now going on full warmongering and wanting to spend 3% of its GDP on warfare, the serious issue here is the lack of will of politicians to punish the authors of such acts, which ruin society for everybody.

44 person injured and a young woman between life and death. Yet when the perpetrators are caught, we'll have journalists and judges relaying the official tune of the EU: "criminals are victims too".

They'll get a slap on the wrist and be able to ruin society again in no time.

When shall the left accept that people putting 300 kilograms of rails to try to kill people has only one solution: shackles and a heavy ball?

Where do you draw the line between "we're all beautiful butterflies" and "some psychos need to be scruffed by the neck and bowed into lifetime submission"?

How many deaths?

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by dns_snek »

dnautics wrote: post #378
tharmas wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or make it look like it was the Russians so you can get the public on board with a war against Russia?

Or make it look like you're trying to make it look like it was the Russians so you can get the public on board with a war against NATO? Bet you didn't see the uno reverso false false flag coming

What's the logic? Russia sabotages NATO infrastructure, claims innocence, and this is somehow supposed to generate support for war against NATO?

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by calgoo »

walrus01 wrote: post #51
apt-get wrote: post #3

Just days after a similar (criminal) incident causing a train to derail in France: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2026/09/12/french-p... "close to Renault's factory in the town of Cléon", which is now preparing to start manufacturing drones for the French military, in collaboration with Ukrainian military-industrial groups.

Most consumers know Renault as an ordinary car manufacturer but also worth mentioning it's a major manufacturer of armored vehicles for the French armed forces.

Just Like Saab in Sweden, except Saab dont sell any cars anymore unfortunately.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by burnt-resistor »

zergrush wrote: post #315

Why do people automatically jump to conclusion that it was Russia in the comments? They haven't even released any evidence or investigation yet in official sense.

https://www.dw.com/en/cuban-dance-teacher-ordered-eu-sabotag...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Leipzig_Airport_drone_att...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Elisa_data_cable_incident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Russian_railway_sabotage_...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Undersea_Cable_System...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Estlink_2_incident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_sabotage_operations_in...

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by _kbh_ »

phainopepla2 wrote: post #370
card_zero wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France does some version or style of derailing Russian trains, you say?

France provides Ukraine with targeting information that allows Ukraine to strike deep inside Russia, including industrial targets. So France is directly contributing to attacks against non-military target in Russia, yes. Source: https://www.kyivpost.com/post/81382

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by vintermann »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #457
don_esteban wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Ukrainian drones are not blowing up launchers. They are blowing up refineries and warehouses.

Warehouse containing kit to build the drones, refineries producing fuel to fuel the tanks

and people who could do those things. Sure. That was a line which was crossed, and everyone knew that - including Ukraine, which is why they didn't do it until two years into the war after getting explicit permission from the governments supplying them with weapons.

But that leaves us back where we started doesn't it? If it's fair game to attack civilian infrastructure which was used or could be used to make the weapons you are getting hit with - then why should it make a difference if it's in the Netherlands? Or in China for that matter? I'm pretty sure that if Russian weapons were made in a state technically not in the conflict (say Belarus), that wouldn't stop Ukraine from sabotaging them.

I'm not denying that Russia was the initial aggressor. I am saying enough lines have been crossed that we really can't fault Russia if they wanted to sabotage weapons production in the west.

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