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Russia is at war with Europe. Europe is not yet at war with Russia but it will be in time.

The plan is to turn Europe into a Pro Russia right wing empire before that happens though. AfD etc.

A multi-pronged plan, starting with funding Brexit to weaken Europe.

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if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... Russia started with the hybrid war psyops shit, they don't get to complain about false accusations.

We've had a bunch of these acts of terrorism in Germany in the recent years. Mostly power, but also train and industrial targets. They all came from the same source, which is very much not Russian.

Don't be naive. They definitely are Russian backed acts. Not all sabotage is done directly by their state security apparatus, funding useful idiots has been the Russian modus operandi since the Soviet times.

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If this was a protest it would be clear who did it. The farmers' have no incentive to mess with infrastructure without being visible for their cause.

yes they do, it hurts their image more directly if you claim it's you.

So why do it then? Just to sabotage their own country? That makes no sense.

It makes more sense that this is a continent wide action taken by Russia, considering the similar event in France just a few days ago.

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Here's the article in Germany about the incident: https://www.rtl.de/news/russische-spionage-rtl-reporter-unde...

I'm not saying such claims are not being published, I'm saying they're likely false because they make about as much sense as a country blowing up its own pipeline. Espionage outside of war is an extremely sensitive issue, and were any country trivially baitable, they'd end up getting played hard. Not only would it eliminate deniability, but you also open up the door to major counter-intel operations and getting more…

This has been extremely well documented. They are just paying some losers a few hundred euros to throw a molotow cocktail somewhere, that's it. As for the Germans, you know that they investigated the NS incident and are prosecuting the Ukrainian perpetrators. Now when the perpetrators are Russian, everything is fake of course.

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The Russians have learned from the best. Look up how successful the US has been in getting right wing crazy people elected as the heads of state in nearly every Central and South American country by funding right-wing groups, with the exception of Mexico and Brazil (but top minds are working on this).

Russia has been trying to get locals to elect governments on their side and even revolt and destroy their own countries to do so ... since 1917. They used the red army to make this happen in most of Eastern Europe, half of Asia, Africa, South America, Middle America ... and they're still at it in quite a few places (like Africa). They fought until their state collapsed to change the government in Afghanistan. Just be…

> Middle America

I thought I loved Red Dawn, I rewatched it recently, it's really stupid.

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Russians are Europeans.

Many, maybe even most Russians would like to be part of Europe, even if they would complain about the terms that would enable them to join pan European organizations. For now they are just potential Europeans.

Russia being part of Europe is a fact and not a preference. It seems like you want to see Europe as being united against Russia instead of this being an internal European conflict, which it is.

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So when someone is firing missiles at you, it’s not defensive to blow up the launcher?

The Ukrainian drones are not blowing up launchers. They are blowing up refineries and warehouses.

Warehouse containing kit to build the drones, refineries producing fuel to fuel the tanks

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They certainly seem to be implying it. And not only that, disinformation narratives often to to emphasize domestic political troubles that fan the flames of skepticism against mainstream institutions, and their reply to a topic about Russia was to go straight to that particular well.

When the mainstream institutions are obviously divorced from reality ( Nordstream - "Russians did it themselves", or every mainstream news segment in spring 2022 starting with "unprovoked full scale invasion of Ukraine" where even a casual glance at numbers involved (~ 180000) pales in comparison with what US used in Iraq I or II), you don't need disinformation narratives to elicit skepticism against mainstream insti…

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European governments (and American) have been drumming up fear and hatred of Russia for more than 50 years. Let's see Russia is actively committing genocide against Ukrainians, Actively commits war crimes against civilian infrastructure, Invaded Crimea, Shot down MH17 and murdered 283 innocent people , constantly broadcasted plans and imagery of nuking American cities, assassinated people in the UK using extremely da…

What's always conveniently left out of lists like this is the greater context in which it occurred. Any state will go to great lengths to protect themselves and ensure their survival. Ukraine is an excellent example. Look at all of the ways they're attacking Russia internationally, even using "terroristic" tactics. It's justified because they're fighting for their survival. The West has been bent on Russia's destruct…

> What's always conveniently left out of lists like this is the greater context in which it occurred. Any state will go to great lengths to protect themselves and ensure their survival.

Putin isn’t worried about Russia’s survival or livelihoods. The country would’ve been an even richer Norway with all the natural resources and opportunity to trade with both mature European and emerging Asian countries. Instead they can’t even go a decade without invading any neighboring countries or a week of not threatening nuclear annihilation. It’s a national inferiority complex.

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or make it look like it was the Russians so you can get the public on board with a war against Russia?

Or make it look like you're trying to make it look like it was the Russians so you can get the public on board with a war against NATO? Bet you didn't see the uno reverso false false flag coming

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