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Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by unclebucknasty »

jappgar wrote: post #555
kaoD wrote: post #513

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> How are people getting this "waste of time not to use AI" and "generates 99% of my code" level of code quality? They don't know what n+1 problem is and they don't know about long-term maintainability.

tbf many human devs I've worked with don't think about n+1 and similar issues and need constant reminders. overall software quality seems largely unchanged

>tbf many human devs I've worked with don't...

OTOH, if someone insists on writing bad code—even after being advised otherwise—then they should expect to be out of a job.

Doesn't seem like "terminated junior developer" is the level of quality we should be accepting or promoting for AI.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by lazyasciiart »

soks86 wrote: post #375
lazyasciiart wrote: post #373

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It’s the story of how open AI and Anthropic were founded: “AI is probably going to destroy humanity, so we must be the ones to develop it because we’ll do it safely”. Edit: Which makes their “someone hold us back!” calls even more ironic.

I think it's a legal issue. If you don't develop killer AI then no one will legislate against it and someone else will create it and do evil. If you create killer AI you can try to instigate legislation, but the legislators may not agree to help. Necessity is the mother of invention, or you know, all of our laws and regulations.

On the bright side, once you have created killer AI you probably have a path to replacing the legislators.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by partyficial »

nullbio wrote: post #400

Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

> feasible in 2-3 years from now

> long ways away

I'm constantly amazed by what people think is "long-term" on HN.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by _zoltan_ »

oxi113 wrote: post #518
_zoltan_ wrote: post #480

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Yes, it is a waste of time right now not to use AI to write code. It's the same category of "artisan code" like "artisan cheese": you can do it if you have a ton of free time as a hobby but other than a hobby? Not worth it.

I agree that it's a waste of time, but I started to realize that doing it a) puts be ahead of those people who don't, yes b) but also diminishes my technical skills if I don't actively try to engage about what I'm "vibecoding" and proactively trying to understand it.

for your point a: writing code by hand puts you ahead of the people who don't write code by hand, eg, the people using LLMs to generate code? that doesn't make much sense assuming both of those personas are senior SWEs.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by _zoltan_ »

suddenlybananas wrote: post #533
_zoltan_ wrote: post #480

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Yes, it is a waste of time right now not to use AI to write code. It's the same category of "artisan code" like "artisan cheese": you can do it if you have a ton of free time as a hobby but other than a hobby? Not worth it.

Not the best metaphor, artisan cheese is something highly sought after. Go to France, there's a lot better cheese than Kraft singles.

I don't need to go that far, living in Switzerland. I don't know why you'd assume I'm in the US, or somehow that I regard Kraft as great cheese.

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Post by suddenlybananas »

_zoltan_ wrote: post #625
suddenlybananas wrote: post #533

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Not the best metaphor, artisan cheese is something highly sought after. Go to France, there's a lot better cheese than Kraft singles.

I don't need to go that far, living in Switzerland. I don't know why you'd assume I'm in the US, or somehow that I regard Kraft as great cheese.

It's called a joke, but surely you recognise that there's an enormous market for artisanal cheese?

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Post by MiloLeo »

zergrush wrote: post #595
jackdawed wrote: post #568

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I own a bookstore and about 90% of back office work is automated by software and AI. Probably most fulfilling project I've worked on in the past few years after taking a long break from tech.

interesting....i didn't know people still bought books from bookstore when they compete with Amazon, who are your demographics? I really do love the bookstores but haven't been in one in ages

Do you really live in a place that does not have independent bookstores? The market is a little more niche, but they still exist and can do well.

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Post by jjk166 »

thenthenthen wrote: post #314
eqmvii wrote: post #160

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Not to mention CONNECTIONS, of which LLMs will start with 0 and never acquire more.

Not sure why the downvotes… my company solely survives on the connections and trust made over time . Real human connections, face to face. This in turn established a reputation .

But for a lot of companies, all the connections in the world won't mean shit if someone else can offer a lower cost with a better lead time.

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Post by ledgerkeeper2 »

nullbio wrote: post #400

Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

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Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by bleonard »

ianberdin wrote: post #206
mchusma wrote: post #192

There was surprisingly little information on how they actually do this, but we run our business with a large number of, what we call "AI employees" in addition to regular employees, and they act in interesting ways. We've been building out orchestration tools to handle this, and we'll probably do a write-up or blog post on it soon. May even open source some of it. The preview is that the problem with most agents (and…

What worries me most are questions like this: these autonomous AI employees or automations - it doesn't change the essence - consume a lot of LLM tokens. Please tell me, how do you pay for this? Do you use, for example, the Anthropic or OpenAI API directly, or do you connect, for example, a Codex subscription?

I've been spending all my time recently thinking about LLM costs. From that, I am currently of the mind that the most interesting question is if they can get it to work in the first place. After that, like with "performance" in the past, I believe there are ways to optimize things. We see the code harnesses doing this out of necessity, for example.

Some of the tools we use: https://www.induction.ai/docs/context-management

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