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Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by throwaway85825 »

spwa4 wrote: post #245
DrScientist wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ideal scenario is everyone suspects it's you but can't prove it. You have both the desired threat, but no concrete biases for an official response. Also an uncertainty limits action - it might be a random event, it could even be a false flag. One of the problem's here is narratives are being spun by multiple actors and it depends on who you believe.

> The ideal scenario is everyone suspects it's you but can't prove it. Why? EU countries have shown time and time again they won't do anything. I mean for God's sake, Russia was caught sending THREE remote controlled flying bomb on a German airfield, with another one found by a passerby before it was launched. They contained professionally made Russian explosives. There is no doubt who did it. This was not the first,…

Because the Kremlin wants europe to take an overt action to justify mobilization. There are many better assymetric ways for europe to retaliate.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by lucb1e »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #192
raverbashing wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it seems governments can only ignore the concerns then complain the 'alt-right' parties get voted

...or blame russia! (Some media literally blamed putin because people voted for afd in the recent state election in germany).

What would you have a troll army promote besides AfD narrative if your objective is to fuck with short-term well-being?

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by darkwi11ow »

paganel wrote: post #323
subscribed wrote: post #308

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One side is primarily targeting civilians and infrastructure, also committing acts of war crimes, other is targeting exclusively infrastructure used by the military. Yeah, yeah, I know you'd love to paint your comrades as the poor military attacked from the all sides, but we all know had they not invade Crimea and then start all-out war against civilian targets, they'd live peacefully today. I hope western countries…

> I hope western countries will respond in kind with the mass sabotage acts I live in Bucharest, the closest NATO capital to the clusterfuck in Southern Ukraine, when you'll get conscripted/when you'll volunteer and when you'll arrive here at Bucharest Northern Railway station just ping me, I'll be very happy to help a HN-er who thinks he's fighting for the right cause. Cause you are a NATO citizen, aren't you? Meani…

Why dont you remigrate back to Moscow if you are so proud of your motherland?

edit: remigrate, not emigrate

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by throwaway85825 »

123-asks wrote: post #309
rwyinuse wrote: post #295

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The way I see it, both things are true - European politicians and major parties have stirred anger by their incompetence, AND Russia has exploited this anger for their own purposes. EU has huge flaws, but it's still better than Russia. Germans, French and the British may not understand it, but us unfortunate enough to live next to Russia do. There is a reason why Poland, Baltic countries and now even Finland and Swed…

> Russia is ruled by evil, murderous tyrants Yes, and Stalin was Georgian, Kaganowitch was Ukrainian (and orchestrated the Ukrainian Holodomor), Breshnev was Ukrainian and so on. The alternative parties are not pro-Russia. They want to trade with a totalitarian regime just like we trade with Saudi Arabia. And they'll break their election promises anyway just like Meloni and Trump broke theirs.

Was Ukrainian really what was listed as nationality on the propiska?

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by throwaway85825 »

koonsolo wrote: post #292
nmeofthestate wrote: post #205

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Explosive-equipped drone attack on airport - Russia! Numerous arson attacks on businesses supplying Ukraine - Russia! Country invaded, cities destroyed, tens of thousands of civilians killed, raped, tortured - Russia.

Don't forget the 2014 Vrbětice explosions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Vrb%C4%9Btice_ammunition_...

Russia burned all their GRU operatives through massive incompetence and has had to switch to freelancers.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by lokar »

hagbard_c wrote: post #346
cbg0 wrote: post #92

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Where are you getting the "correct" narrative from?

Here's Deutsche Welle - what used to be the German international radio service - on the subject: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-news-police-raid-vehicle-of-su... German authorities believe a militant climate activist was behind a series of recent sabotage attacks on the country's power grid and are hunting for a 48-year-old suspect. This suspect is now under arrest as also can be read in the following report by The Lo…

Why is it unlikely that Russia would seek to obscure its involvement by recruiting (possibly without their knowledge that Russian was involved ) locals to carry out these acts?

If Russia was behind it, this seems like the most likely way they would proceed.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by account42 »

consp wrote: post #322
Muximize wrote: post #112

Farmers protesting new nitrogen emissions regulation. They are also setting hay bales on fire next to highways. The rail sabotage is relatively harmless, the tracks use block signalling so if you use a conductive metal bar or jumper cables to connect the rails, the system thinks a train is present and the preceding signal will stay red.

The harm is in the cost. Not the actual danger. Or are they going to pay for the damages caused due to lost productivity?

Protests are much less effective if they can just be ignored. At the very least "lost productivity" is a very abstract harm and not something that endangers human lives directly.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by lucb1e »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #236
NietTim wrote: post #108

It should be noted that today is Prinsjesdag and the new yearly budget is being presented, or however that is properly translated in english. Especially now that farmers are also lighting hay bales on fire next to highways the most likely explanation is nationals doing this

Checking some other calendars yields: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Nazi_Germany#National_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws#Text_of_the_law... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Days_of_Repentance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Day_of_Democracy...

Dutch person here. I never heard of these but Prinjesdag is big national news each year. Considering that this is happening in the Netherlands, it's about as likely related to the, eh, ten days of repetitice as it is to the moon landing

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by throwaway85825 »

account42 wrote: post #324
DrScientist wrote: post #217

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Not sure how MH17 shooting is relevant here. While the consensus is that it's likely a Russia controlled/allied battery shot it down - I'm not sure anybody thinks it was anything other than an accident, not an intentional act of sabotage.

If it was a Russian weapon (which is the most likely explanation) then it was the result of them meddling where they shouldn't be - either by supplying separatists with military equipment or by being there themselves, i.e. a part of their ongoing expansionist campaign in Ukraine.

It was a part of the active Russian military. SAM operators don't grow on trees.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by valgaze »

> German journalist Angelique Geray posed as a fan of Vladimir Putin on social media while investigating how covert Russian agents operate in Germany.

> Geray spent several months creating a fictional online persona. Using the alias Katya, she presented herself as a pro-Russian influencer, trying to build a following organically and establish contacts on social media.

> “Katya” posted videos of herself posing in a striped Russian sailor shirt, professing her admiration for Putin, and walking around the Bundestag with a Russian flag. Before long, agents contacted her and offered her unspecified assignments and sent her payment in Bitcoin.

> Geray and other RTL journalists were able to observe the recruitment process firsthand. New agents were initially given simple tasks — taking a photo, picking up a package, or obtaining a SIM card. They were later drawn into more serious operations, though these “disposable agents” knew only their own roles and did not understand the overall plan.

> Jović invited “Katya” to meet. During their meeting, he spoke about his pro-Russian activities and hinted at the involvement of Russian intelligence agencies. Asked directly whether intelligence agencies in Moscow were directing his social media activity, he said, “Nobody knows. Well, I don’t know — in theory. In practice, I do know.” Later, when Geray approached him under her real name as a reporter, he denied taking part in a pro-Russian campaign.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2026/09/14/an-undercover-german...

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