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Global bond yields hit 2008 highs, raising stakes for big borrowers

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Re: Global bond yields hit 2008 highs, raising stakes for big borrowers

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It becomes clearer to more people that it's impossible to predict the future shape of the global economy due to AI. The more clear it is, the cheaper 30 year bonds become.

> It becomes clearer to more people that it's impossible to predict the future shape of the global economy due to AI.

You mean due to Trump? Tariffs and Iran war caused this.

Re: Global bond yields hit 2008 highs, raising stakes for big borrowers

#62
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Finally some evidence that the system is working. Most countries are borrowing like there's no tomorrow, so obviously rates should go up to compensate the risk of not paying back.

There is 0 risk to getting repaid from the US. We will print for the lenders the exact amount they are promised. Promises kept. All is good

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Re: Global bond yields hit 2008 highs, raising stakes for big borrowers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is 0 risk to getting repaid from the US. We will print for the lenders the exact amount they are promised. Promises kept. All is good

I feel like there is an inside joke here, so I apologize if I am being a bit spectrum-y taking it at face value. Every sovereign can print money and repay lenders, but doing so cause an inflationary cycle. When it looks like that is inevitable, borrowing rates start spiralling, so you have to print more money, and soon you are Zimbabwe. Like the US is catastrophically indebted -- both parties have been negligent on t…

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Re: Global bond yields hit 2008 highs, raising stakes for big borrowers

#64

Italian and Greek bonds now have lower yields/rates (i.e., considered lower risk(?)) than US bonds: * https://www.investing.com/rates-bonds/

Sort of. You also have to consider exchange rate futures, the value of the currency you will be getting paid in may change dramatically.

Re: Global bond yields hit 2008 highs, raising stakes for big borrowers

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post #5
post #2

Finally some evidence that the system is working. Most countries are borrowing like there's no tomorrow, so obviously rates should go up to compensate the risk of not paying back.

And the incredible thing is that yields are quite low based on historical standards. The risk of lending to most countries at yields that are barely above real inflation is massive for portfolio growth. Let's take the US, where you have to consider lending money to the government for 10 years at 5.009%. This barely covers inflation if you consider real numbers rather than the financial fiction ones that have been pub…

> 5-year treasuries were paying 7-9% with inflation in the 2-4% range

One crucial difference: the US wasn't $40T in debt, and it wasn't pulling trillion dollar deficits. In 1998 the US federal government actually had a surplus! Even 9% interest wasn't going to wreck the Federal budget when the overall amount of debt to be serviced was so much lower.

Everything is relative to size. If your older brother lends you a dollar at 100% daily interest, you can still throw a balled-up Jackson at him a couple days later and walk away clean. But ask anyone who agreed to a crazy 20% interest rate on their car loan what it did to their personal finances, and all you'll hear is horror stories. 9% on $40T would be suicide.

Re: Global bond yields hit 2008 highs, raising stakes for big borrowers

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The US will continue to starve the world of oil and natural gas as long as the stock market goes up.

Notice that the stock market is at all time highs because 50% of the economy is grift now and not real. That is why Republicans go into vast deficit spending to pump up AI and worthless "high-tech", "disruptive" defense stocks.

Trump (and British pound saboteur Bessent) don't care one bit if the US plebs and the rest of the world suffer. The game is printing money, give it to grift companies like AI, have family invest early and get out if everything collapses. Probably they get into real estate cheaply due to foreclosures.

Re: Global bond yields hit 2008 highs, raising stakes for big borrowers

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post #2

Finally some evidence that the system is working. Most countries are borrowing like there's no tomorrow, so obviously rates should go up to compensate the risk of not paying back.

It isn't the debt levels that are causing the rates to spike, rather the start of the emerging Bretton Woods III era.

Could you be a bit more specific about what you think "Bretton Woods III" is?

Re: Global bond yields hit 2008 highs, raising stakes for big borrowers

#69

Italian and Greek bonds now have lower yields/rates (i.e., considered lower risk(?)) than US bonds: * https://www.investing.com/rates-bonds/

Sort of. You also have to consider exchange rate futures, the value of the currency you will be getting paid in may change dramatically.

Is the euro doing or expected to do something strange?

Re: Global bond yields hit 2008 highs, raising stakes for big borrowers

#70
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

conservatives?

Trump, sitting on top of a Republican government, is responsible for 10Trn of the debt, about a quarter. Conservatives gave up on principles long ago and have settled for simply lying about everything, including what's happening and who's responsible for it.

The words are so overloaded. Republican is just generic right wing. I think the "conservative" the parent is talking about is the neoliberalism like what Milton Friedman would propose. He would have wanted half of the government gone, next to no market intervention (he even argued against seatbelts in one lecture). That would actually be the "conservative" someone you stereotypically imagine like Ron Swanson would adopt, who describes the perfect government as just a person in a tiny white room. The Republicans are a joke, just like the Democrats. They're both there for themselves, and have no actual agenda, manifesto, ideals, or values. They've got all the junk identity politics, religion, abortion, immigration crap mixed in such that you're either picking crap or crap. There's nothing "liberal" about the Democrats and nothing "conservative" about the Republicans. The Republicans were even the ones who freed the slaves! Make of that what you will.
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