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Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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It's transformative . Not aimed at exact reproduction, so not in the scope of copyright law.

They participated in uploading the files as part of the downloading the torrent from other peers. Their use of the BitTorrent protocol to acquire these files would not have been transformative.

> They participated in uploading the files as part of the downloading the torrent from other peers.

Not necessarily. You can literally turn uploads off and leech torrents.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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We will get back at these CEOs by stealing their IP. China is already doing so and releasing weights, China of all people is playing modern Robbin Hood, albeit because they don't have the compute or trust.

It is non-negotiable that humanity "owns" AI and that LLMs, future model architectures and modern robotics are used by all to build a better world for all. This doesn't mean there can't be proprietary tech but it does mean that any corporation who attempts to rip the positive vision of humans not having to do any work from us - must be ripped to shreds themselves.

The alternative is absolute surveillance of all citizens at all times and robot armies keeping us from protesting, while globalists squeeze every last drop out of the planet for themselves and we are forced to own nothing and eat the bugs. You will have to fight for this, there will be no laws or government intervention.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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> level of anti-AI sentiment out there in the world. I'd caution about projecting Western Ai attitudes onto the rest of the world. Some countries are very excited and optimistic about the future it brings, cultures and circumstances give rise to differences in opinions. One of many results showing a similar pattern, largely bifurcated along "the west" vs "the rest", or "modern economies" vs "third world" ("common ter…

Even in the western world most anti-ai sentiment ends on social media. People are anti-ai cuz it's easy. They say something, repost or like something, and they're anti-ai. Then they turnaround and use AI in their email or calendar or to make funny pics or whatever. They watch AI generated content and engage with it. Anti-AI is pretty NIMBY. People want AI, they just don't want AI data centers in their area or to give…

> Even in the western world most anti-ai sentiment ends on social media

No. There's a lot of local regulations being enacted to prevent datacenter builds.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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post #79
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They participated in uploading the files as part of the downloading the torrent from other peers. Their use of the BitTorrent protocol to acquire these files would not have been transformative.

> They participated in uploading the files as part of the downloading the torrent from other peers. Did they? Are you sure?

No, only in some instances maybe, they were mostly leechers.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Aaron Swartz was facing up to 35 years for wire fraud and hacking for swiping some JSTOR documents, and the DOJ has done nothing against the AI companies and their IP violating antics.

Because that's not what IP law is for. IP law was always corporate rent-seeking. None of those arguments about fairly compensating people for their creations or preserving the profit motive were ever being made in good faith. The point was always to force you to pay for something that would be free under natural laws. And I do mean you specifically, because the act of copying information freely was always going to be…

Swartz was charged under the CFAA, like most hacking cases, and it clearly applies to the Anthropic and OpenAI cases.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Aaron Swartz was facing up to 35 years for wire fraud and hacking for swiping some JSTOR documents, and the DOJ has done nothing against the AI companies and their IP violating antics.

Meanwhile, in China they got the best video models cause they don't care much about IP. The irony that China, by being a threat, is preventing the west from lurching toward totalitarian is really interesting.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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post #83
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even in the western world most anti-ai sentiment ends on social media. People are anti-ai cuz it's easy. They say something, repost or like something, and they're anti-ai. Then they turnaround and use AI in their email or calendar or to make funny pics or whatever. They watch AI generated content and engage with it. Anti-AI is pretty NIMBY. People want AI, they just don't want AI data centers in their area or to give…

> Even in the western world most anti-ai sentiment ends on social media No. There's a lot of local regulations being enacted to prevent datacenter builds.

While I agree that it goes beyond social media, I don't believe your statement is evidence to such. I would call that more the manifestation of anti-Ai sentiment wherever they pick it up.

I suspect it's popular because it has been a long long time since The People felt like government had been responsive, so they are doubling down, ad nausium

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They participated in uploading the files as part of the downloading the torrent from other peers. Their use of the BitTorrent protocol to acquire these files would not have been transformative.

> They participated in uploading the files as part of the downloading the torrent from other peers. Did they? Are you sure?

Meta argued in court that yes, they did upload when torrenting

> Meta’s reasoning is straightforward. Anyone who uses BitTorrent to transfer files automatically uploads content to other people, as it is inherent to the protocol. In other words, the uploading wasn’t a choice, it was simply how the technology works.

https://torrentfreak.com/uploading-pirated-books-via-bittorr...

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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The passage banning “unfair competition” is utterly marvellous: A trader may not, by pursuing a dishonest practice, force his competitors to choose between its adoption or the loss of their trade. A method of competition [is ‘unfair’ when it] casts upon one's competitors the burden of the loss of business unless they will descend to a practice which they are under a powerful moral compulsion not to adopt, even though…

> For these reasons a large share of the industry holds out against the device This is where I stop agreeing, there are some, not large parts any more; not because they were forced to adopt it, but because it has finally become useful and an ROI. This is most evident in pull request reviews and root-cause analysis, both tasks they accel at without the generated code some people bemoan. If you aren't using it for this…

“If you aren't using it for this, you are doing a disservice to yourself and the quality of your code”

I bow reluctantly to this device I consider unscrupulous.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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post #49

All these things do is market a preemptive universal Presidential pardon - Hunter Biden style. And this President successfully sells those. So I suppose it’s marketing to enrich him.

You're suggesting that Lina Khan is trying to give Trump an opportunity to pardon AI company people?

No. I think I was quite clear. Lina Khan is providing marketing for Trump's paid pardon by pre-registering a procedure for a government aligned with her interests to prosecute AI CEOs. What she is trying to do or trying not to do was not something I addressed.

She does have a track record of achieving things she probably did not intend: e.g. ensuring total Chinese dominance of US household robotics.

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