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Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by verdverm »

afavour wrote: post #4

It won’t happen, but if it did the CEOs have no one but themselves to blame. They’re hyping up their products as being able to destroy the human race then are somehow surprised at the level of anti-AI sentiment out there in the world.

> level of anti-AI sentiment out there in the world.

I'd caution about projecting Western Ai attitudes onto the rest of the world. Some countries are very excited and optimistic about the future it brings, cultures and circumstances give rise to differences in opinions.

One of many results showing a similar pattern, largely bifurcated along "the west" vs "the rest", or "modern economies" vs "third world" ("common terms" used even though I'm not a fan of them)

https://hai.stanford.edu/ai-index/2026-ai-index-report/publi...

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by nl »

The Register of course take what Kahn says (where he is arguing that no new laws need to be created to regulate AI) and taking extending it to say "breakout the handcuffs".

Kahn doesn't even imply that. Instead he's making a well reasoned point about using existing tools (as many in this discussion point out existing laws could be applied to inadequately controlled cyber incidents)

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by xhevahir »

arjie wrote: post #49

All these things do is market a preemptive universal Presidential pardon - Hunter Biden style. And this President successfully sells those. So I suppose it’s marketing to enrich him.

You're suggesting that Lina Khan is trying to give Trump an opportunity to pardon AI company people?

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by downrightmike »

xnx wrote: post #8

AI is a very competitive market where consumers are getting the product for much less than it costs. This does not seem like an area where the government needs to butt in. Attention would be better spent on long list of other poorly behaved companies: cable ISP monopolies, health insurance companies, home insurance companies, etc.

That's basically the Amazon argument. But it too needs to be addressed

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by verdverm »

fwlr wrote: post #3

The passage banning “unfair competition” is utterly marvellous: A trader may not, by pursuing a dishonest practice, force his competitors to choose between its adoption or the loss of their trade. A method of competition [is ‘unfair’ when it] casts upon one's competitors the burden of the loss of business unless they will descend to a practice which they are under a powerful moral compulsion not to adopt, even though…

> For these reasons a large share of the industry holds out against the device

This is where I stop agreeing, there are some, not large parts any more; not because they were forced to adopt it, but because it has finally become useful and an ROI. This is most evident in pull request reviews and root-cause analysis, both tasks they accel at without the generated code some people bemoan. If you aren't using it for this, you are doing a disservice to yourself and the quality of your code. Because more of industry feels this way, I do not believe the 'unfair' part (compelled to use it or lose your trade) will hold up, we want to use it because it makes us better at our trade

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by chneu »

verdverm wrote: post #61
afavour wrote: post #4

It won’t happen, but if it did the CEOs have no one but themselves to blame. They’re hyping up their products as being able to destroy the human race then are somehow surprised at the level of anti-AI sentiment out there in the world.

> level of anti-AI sentiment out there in the world. I'd caution about projecting Western Ai attitudes onto the rest of the world. Some countries are very excited and optimistic about the future it brings, cultures and circumstances give rise to differences in opinions. One of many results showing a similar pattern, largely bifurcated along "the west" vs "the rest", or "modern economies" vs "third world" ("common ter…

Even in the western world most anti-ai sentiment ends on social media.

People are anti-ai cuz it's easy. They say something, repost or like something, and they're anti-ai. Then they turnaround and use AI in their email or calendar or to make funny pics or whatever. They watch AI generated content and engage with it.

Anti-AI is pretty NIMBY. People want AI, they just don't want AI data centers in their area or to give up their use/privilege.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by verdverm »

xhevahir wrote: post #63
arjie wrote: post #49

All these things do is market a preemptive universal Presidential pardon - Hunter Biden style. And this President successfully sells those. So I suppose it’s marketing to enrich him.

You're suggesting that Lina Khan is trying to give Trump an opportunity to pardon AI company people?

by suggesting criminal prosecution of his "friends" (has none in reality) after he is not president, Khan is indirectly giving Trump an excuse to use Biden's excuse for his son (which I still support him having done given the other petty uses of the US govt Donald the Trump has use in 2.0)

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by georgemcbay »

nl wrote: post #62

The Register of course take what Kahn says (where he is arguing that no new laws need to be created to regulate AI) and taking extending it to say "breakout the handcuffs". Kahn doesn't even imply that. Instead he's making a well reasoned point about using existing tools (as many in this discussion point out existing laws could be applied to inadequately controlled cyber incidents)

Lina Khan is a woman. Not that it is particularly relevant here, but just letting you know.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by verdverm »

VCFundedGenYer wrote: post #7

It’s definitely happening in 2029 if the election goes a certain way. They all know that too. There WILL be an end to this.

The most extreme Dems are not winning primaries, just like MAGA. Most people do not want the extremes of either side, both political parties are shrinking because they are so out of touch. 2029 is a long way away, I hope to see the White House restored to its former glory over today's perspective on what Ai regulation should be, by a long shot, one is tangible, the other is based in theoretical fears.

Context, I volunteer in my local Indivisible, the tone is changing because the anti-ai people are now also finding certain uses of Ai really nice and now acceptable. It's no longer ban Ai and data centers, it's craft reasonable legislation. Expect to see more after the midterms, we'll be working with the Washington State legislature to craft laws we hope are a model for other states / countries, as WA has done in other areas like voting rights and civil liberties.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by chneu »

nl wrote: post #62

The Register of course take what Kahn says (where he is arguing that no new laws need to be created to regulate AI) and taking extending it to say "breakout the handcuffs". Kahn doesn't even imply that. Instead he's making a well reasoned point about using existing tools (as many in this discussion point out existing laws could be applied to inadequately controlled cyber incidents)

Kahn is a woman.
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