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Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by mw888 »

piterrro wrote: post #31

Interesting to see these experiments. This is early but imagine in few years there will be companies mostly run by agents with a light overview from a human operator. What then happens to scaling of the bussinesses? I would assume, just like today anyone can vibe code an app, there will be vibecoded bussinesses. Maybe its time to start building infrastructure for these bussinesses instead, its a non existent market y…

Part of the boon of this will just be dealing with less employees.

Not so much reducing cost by reducing headcount, but reducing liability; it's the legal labyrinth which is the barrier to entry to scale business. While it is present elsewhere, it's universal in employment.

The real question is "how big can a business be before it requires a legal department?" That an AI can automate many rote tasks and have some expertise means the benefits of scale with less of the risk.

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Post by jschveibinz »

2001zhaozhao wrote: post #231
jschveibinz wrote: post #220

So here is an excellent example and interesting race condition that is developing in AI applications and venture-backed startups: what is truly AI-resilient enough to invest millions of dollars in a "land grab"--when the land is literally falling away with each passing day. There is no doubt that AI will be helping to run businesses. But, there is also little doubt that existing businesses will have the wherewithal t…

There is one big wrinkle in existing firms trying to adopt the kind of near-full AI business automation mentioned here: internal people and groups will strongly resist it as it's an existential threat to their interests. See what happened at Meta as an example. To bypass this, the company would pretty much have to run a parallel AI org alongside their main human one, but at that point they are almost on even footing…

That's very plausible and a good point!

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Post by alexhans »

mchusma wrote: post #192

There was surprisingly little information on how they actually do this, but we run our business with a large number of, what we call "AI employees" in addition to regular employees, and they act in interesting ways. We've been building out orchestration tools to handle this, and we'll probably do a write-up or blog post on it soon. May even open source some of it. The preview is that the problem with most agents (and…

> We have decided to organize these like departments similar to the way you might hire out humans. I'm not 100% sure if that's the best approach, but I will say it's been easier for people to understand because they're more mentally easily able to traverse the bot org chart if it somewhat reflects a traditional business org chart

I think this way of thinking is going to be very important to drive adoption of AI systems because the human analogies benefit from the pre-existing domain knowledge and expectations of people.

I like using the exam analogy for evals as a qualifier for work for your "AI hires" so you can trust them to work on a specific domain.

I'd be quite curious to see what your approach to evals/testing/tracing and agent/system mutation is.

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Post by SolderSlut »

renanoliveira0 wrote: post #89
LargeWu wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's massive negativity because our bullshit detectors are going off. First of all, I don't think it can do what it claims to do. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, I don't think it should.

> Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, I don't think it should. Why exactly should what you think the world should look like determine what other people are allowed to build?

I don't think we should build gas chambers for doing genocide. That doesn't determine what other people are allowed to build, of course, but I kind of wish it did.

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Post by majorchord »

joshuat wrote: post #266
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it really is a dream to automated more of the business and be able to iterate faster Why iterate faster?

Why can't an agent do the iteration for us?

They make too many mistakes.

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Post by Buttons840 »

refactor_master wrote: post #296
razster wrote: post #277

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Oh my friend, it can. We have ours running and using unique skills it learns from online. You allow it to update skills and see what works - from there it just keeps building better and better skill sets.

Until everybody’s AI talks to everybody’s AI and tokens will be churned with no utility, and all the valuable business meetings will happen face to face behind closed doors.

Yeah. We are definitely headed to a world where, more than ever, success is determined simply by whether or not you're allowed through the closed door.

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Post by cuttothechase »

>>>This is why we’re releasing Pion today. Pion is available as a research preview. If you have an existing business or an interesting business idea you want to hand off to AI, please sign up on our waitlist to get access. We’re excited to run many more businesses, and through them, contribute significantly more insights on frontier model capabilities.

Why on God's earth why?

Can't you just unleash your AI to "create existing or interesting business ideas" firstplace?

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Post by e12e »

cuttothechase wrote: post #308

>>>This is why we’re releasing Pion today. Pion is available as a research preview. If you have an existing business or an interesting business idea you want to hand off to AI, please sign up on our waitlist to get access. We’re excited to run many more businesses, and through them, contribute significantly more insights on frontier model capabilities. Why on God's earth why? Can't you just unleash your AI to "create…

Guess they need to hire an "idea guy" first?

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Post by lumpysnake »

cuttothechase wrote: post #308

>>>This is why we’re releasing Pion today. Pion is available as a research preview. If you have an existing business or an interesting business idea you want to hand off to AI, please sign up on our waitlist to get access. We’re excited to run many more businesses, and through them, contribute significantly more insights on frontier model capabilities. Why on God's earth why? Can't you just unleash your AI to "create…

They can't. Nor can OpenAI or Anthropic. If they could create real economic value using their models, they would. Replacing coders is the best they got. Or solving super niche mathematical conjectures.
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