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Re: Dario, Please

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stuxnet79 wrote: post #15
ebcode wrote: post #12

While I have my reservations about Amodei and his company, I'm nevertheless a happy user of their software. And I'm in agreement with him (and Sanders) that we should all. slow. down. To my mind, the last great arms race between nation states was a misdirected love triangle between USA, Russia, and The Bomb, and look at all the damage that did. Since AI is the new arms race between USA and China, slowing down may jus…

Amodei is just another SV grifter trying to use ethics / morals to hide his monopolistic tendencies. Instead of writing essays he should put his money where his mouth is and open source all the models Anthropic has, the harnesses and donate some much needed compute to science.

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sroerick wrote: post #31
vb-8448 wrote: post #26

> “a swarm of agents could be capable of taking over the entire internet with a persistent botnet.” I'm wondering why no one is mentioning the "accountability" word. Why these companies are allowed to damage others with impunity? Start making managers pay the price for their actions, and watch how the models magically slow down on their own.

How could agents take over the internet if compute is still gated within Anthropic / OpenAI? Even if the botnet was controlled remotely, wouldn't anthropic just be able to shut off the controlling nodes API access?

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Post by embedding-shape »

sroerick wrote: post #31
vb-8448 wrote: post #26

> “a swarm of agents could be capable of taking over the entire internet with a persistent botnet.” I'm wondering why no one is mentioning the "accountability" word. Why these companies are allowed to damage others with impunity? Start making managers pay the price for their actions, and watch how the models magically slow down on their own.

How could agents take over the internet if compute is still gated within Anthropic / OpenAI? Even if the botnet was controlled remotely, wouldn't anthropic just be able to shut off the controlling nodes API access?

As long as OpenAI/Anthropic themselves aren't "infected", yeah I suppose they'd be able to pull the plug.

Considering what a marketing thing they've made "we inadvertently hacked someone because we're incapable of testing things in a secure way", I'm not so sure they'd want to pull the plug, even if this happened. Probably a bunch would try to convince the public to "give it a try", and it'd consume tokens by the billions.

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Post by hgoel »

ebcode wrote: post #12

While I have my reservations about Amodei and his company, I'm nevertheless a happy user of their software. And I'm in agreement with him (and Sanders) that we should all. slow. down. To my mind, the last great arms race between nation states was a misdirected love triangle between USA, Russia, and The Bomb, and look at all the damage that did. Since AI is the new arms race between USA and China, slowing down may jus…

Do you agree with Sanders' proposal to lock up anyone for 20 years for researching something his proposal doesn't even define?

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Post by siavosh »

I think the most realistic analogy I can think of is the financial sector. A few large banks/hedge funds blow up due to unregulated greed/ambition, damage is socialized, regulations are put in place, and then chipped away at over a few years and everyones back to where they started.

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Post by luma »

kypro wrote: post #36
fooker wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> look at all the damage that did. Prevented a world war for 80+ years.

And if the power of nuclear warheads were democratised we'd be even safer – HN, probably.

The 80 years thing actually happened. One can argue about MAD and the nuclear threat, but we don't have to guess at what happened.

It worked.

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Post by Gregkion »

Yes lets not control Open Weights etc.

But come one don't repeat stuff like this:

"Remember this man has been saying software development will be solved in “6-12 months” forever now."

Don't downplay if people get timelines a little bit wrong. No one could even imagine a system writing and analysing code just a few years back.

These people are trying to handle something very unique. And while they have access to information we do not have, even more peple are absolutly oblivouse that AI/AGI is a real risk to their lives (job loss etc.)

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Post by skybrian »

vb-8448 wrote: post #26

> “a swarm of agents could be capable of taking over the entire internet with a persistent botnet.” I'm wondering why no one is mentioning the "accountability" word. Why these companies are allowed to damage others with impunity? Start making managers pay the price for their actions, and watch how the models magically slow down on their own.

Why do people focus so much on finding scapegoats? Finding someone to blame is neither necessary nor sufficient to fix a system so an accident doesn't happen again. It might act as as an incentive to fix a system, but it's less direct than actually working on fixing the system.

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Post by hgoel »

abletonlive wrote: post #22
ebcode wrote: post #12

While I have my reservations about Amodei and his company, I'm nevertheless a happy user of their software. And I'm in agreement with him (and Sanders) that we should all. slow. down. To my mind, the last great arms race between nation states was a misdirected love triangle between USA, Russia, and The Bomb, and look at all the damage that did. Since AI is the new arms race between USA and China, slowing down may jus…

> was a misdirected love triangle between USA, Russia, and The Bomb, and look at all the damage that did. Can you be specific about the damage? We currently live in the most prosperous times on earth for humans. I'm not sure what you mean by damage. Nobody can explain why an LLM can be so capable as to be able to wipe out humanity and pose a greater threat than nuclear bombs but not be so capable as to be able to pro…

Not to mention that the past few decades have shown that nukes are a major factor in keeping the peace. Conflicts involving nuclear armed countries have been suspended quickly to avoid escalation, while ones involving a party without them have not gone well for anyone.

Having nukes at all (either domestic or under another country's umbrella) seems to be the most effective way for a country to have its sovereignty respected.

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