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Re: Dario, Please

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Post by luxuryballs »

cyanydeez wrote: post #10
luxuryballs wrote: post #7

"Deaths from economic disruption and loss of jobs is okay" is a curious sentiment, how many deaths can we trace directly back to an economic disruption driven by advancement but then conclude that the economy should thus never change or advancement must be curtailed because it might cause deaths? I don't even know how to approach such a thing, I can't imagine even in the stereotypical examples like the typewriter bec…

During COVID republicans in America called for economic support by keeping unnecessary commerce.

the government loves to maintain the bubble economy since it is directly upstream from getting re-elected

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Post by abletonlive »

ebcode wrote: post #12

While I have my reservations about Amodei and his company, I'm nevertheless a happy user of their software. And I'm in agreement with him (and Sanders) that we should all. slow. down. To my mind, the last great arms race between nation states was a misdirected love triangle between USA, Russia, and The Bomb, and look at all the damage that did. Since AI is the new arms race between USA and China, slowing down may jus…

> was a misdirected love triangle between USA, Russia, and The Bomb, and look at all the damage that did.

Can you be specific about the damage? We currently live in the most prosperous times on earth for humans. I'm not sure what you mean by damage.

Nobody can explain why an LLM can be so capable as to be able to wipe out humanity and pose a greater threat than nuclear bombs but not be so capable as to be able to protect humanity against that threat. Are we just handwaving this with "entropy"?

> Maybe saying, "let's slow down", is another way of saying, "I love you." Or, maybe it's just: "let's not all of humanity kill ourselves like some bad ending to a Shakespearean tragedy."

Okay nevermind, I think it's pretty clear you just want to wax poetic about all of this.

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Post by Rover222 »

ebcode wrote: post #12

While I have my reservations about Amodei and his company, I'm nevertheless a happy user of their software. And I'm in agreement with him (and Sanders) that we should all. slow. down. To my mind, the last great arms race between nation states was a misdirected love triangle between USA, Russia, and The Bomb, and look at all the damage that did. Since AI is the new arms race between USA and China, slowing down may jus…

What damage was done by the last arms race you mentioned?

There have been precisely 0 nuclear weapons detonated (outside of testing) since that arms race began.

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Post by jcranmer »

dragonwriter wrote: post #18
TutleCpt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. There's no slowing down whatsoever. If the US slows down AI development, China will just leapfrog them, which they're getting close to doing. The US AI companies saying they need to slow down is just PR nonsense.

The US companies talking about “pacing” aren't actually talking about slowing down their own development efforts, they are talking about slowing down competition. That is, specifically, they are seeking to have government, on the pretext of “safety”: (1) Give the big AI incumbents an anti-trust exemption so the they can coordinate without it being an illegal agreement not to compete, and (2) Adopt mandatory supervisi…

I've seen two theories as to what's going on. One is the theory you've espoused, that AI companies are trying to do regulatory capture. The other theory is that they're starting to worry about running out of cash, so they want to do a Washington Naval Treaty-style pause to lower the amount of money they have to shovel at model development to stay competitive.

These theories aren't entirely incompatible with each other, so both could be true at the same time.

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Post by axegon_ »

1qw376 wrote: post #11

Yes, especially the botnet creation by agents is ludicrous. Anthropic has an insecure garbage stack and assumes all companies in the world do, too. This article will be drowned out unfortunately by the press and bloggers following the Misanthropic cult.

Almost as if pushing for constant updates and adding new features without addressing security at all has consequences. Who would have thought, right?

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Post by vb-8448 »

> “a swarm of agents could be capable of taking over the entire internet with a persistent botnet.”

I'm wondering why no one is mentioning the "accountability" word. Why these companies are allowed to damage others with impunity?

Start making managers pay the price for their actions, and watch how the models magically slow down on their own.

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Post by actionfromafar »

Rover222 wrote: post #23
ebcode wrote: post #12

While I have my reservations about Amodei and his company, I'm nevertheless a happy user of their software. And I'm in agreement with him (and Sanders) that we should all. slow. down. To my mind, the last great arms race between nation states was a misdirected love triangle between USA, Russia, and The Bomb, and look at all the damage that did. Since AI is the new arms race between USA and China, slowing down may jus…

What damage was done by the last arms race you mentioned? There have been precisely 0 nuclear weapons detonated (outside of testing) since that arms race began.

But isn't it a bit different? Unaligned bombs didn't break out of their confines on their own. And "compute" is a bit harder to control than uranium and refinement tech.

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Post by Foreskin_Mafia »

ebcode wrote: post #12

While I have my reservations about Amodei and his company, I'm nevertheless a happy user of their software. And I'm in agreement with him (and Sanders) that we should all. slow. down. To my mind, the last great arms race between nation states was a misdirected love triangle between USA, Russia, and The Bomb, and look at all the damage that did. Since AI is the new arms race between USA and China, slowing down may jus…

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Post by watwut »

stuxnet79 wrote: post #15
ebcode wrote: post #12

While I have my reservations about Amodei and his company, I'm nevertheless a happy user of their software. And I'm in agreement with him (and Sanders) that we should all. slow. down. To my mind, the last great arms race between nation states was a misdirected love triangle between USA, Russia, and The Bomb, and look at all the damage that did. Since AI is the new arms race between USA and China, slowing down may jus…

Amodei is just another SV grifter trying to use ethics / morals to hide his monopolistic tendencies. Instead of writing essays he should put his money where his mouth is and open source all the models Anthropic has, the harnesses and donate some much needed compute to science.

This is downvoted but extremely likely just correct assesment.

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Post by ebcode »

abletonlive wrote: post #22
ebcode wrote: post #12

While I have my reservations about Amodei and his company, I'm nevertheless a happy user of their software. And I'm in agreement with him (and Sanders) that we should all. slow. down. To my mind, the last great arms race between nation states was a misdirected love triangle between USA, Russia, and The Bomb, and look at all the damage that did. Since AI is the new arms race between USA and China, slowing down may jus…

> was a misdirected love triangle between USA, Russia, and The Bomb, and look at all the damage that did. Can you be specific about the damage? We currently live in the most prosperous times on earth for humans. I'm not sure what you mean by damage. Nobody can explain why an LLM can be so capable as to be able to wipe out humanity and pose a greater threat than nuclear bombs but not be so capable as to be able to pro…

Mostly I was thinking about environmental damage, honestly. There's plenty in the historical record about damages from nuclear testing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime

https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/3f62c90925f64fc09425be8...

Of course there is/was plenty of human damage as well.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/4-000-000-early-deaths-...

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