how does this work from a liability standpoint? seems very risky for the person who is legally responsible for the business
LLM magic-8-ball says: Don't worry about! Shall I spin up an agent which handles business liability for you?
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
You reminded me of a comic hanging up in the engineering college. It was a picture of a student getting their finger zapped with the thought bubble of "ouch, that hurt. Wonder if it will happen if I do that again?" And the caption was along the lines of "How to tell if you are ment for engineering."
I’m genuinely not sure who is meant for Engineering. The one who would try it again or the one who wouldn’t
if curiosity > pain avoidance: engineer
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#153Interesting to see these experiments. This is early but imagine in few years there will be companies mostly run by agents with a light overview from a human operator. What then happens to scaling of the bussinesses? I would assume, just like today anyone can vibe code an app, there will be vibecoded bussinesses. Maybe its time to start building infrastructure for these bussinesses instead, its a non existent market y…
Part of the issue is that the worst kind of people are already head over heels excited about this. We're already seeing the Crypto->Web3->LLM get rich quick folks take to this like wildfire. And much like wildfire, they'll raze the ground to ashes before anyone can use it for legitimate means. If you think I'm joking, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Rqv9dOB1U I don't think any of us are ready for th…
I’m not on normal social media so I had no idea that stuff was out there.
Absolutely incredible trolling from some of those people I’m sure, while others are actual believers
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#154Filing false reports to the FBI is a crime. Why would anyone trust this with a real business? Y’all should be prosecuted
This the Trump era. Making outrageous false allegations is normalized now. Also, the DoJ staff is cut and head of the FBI is busy with personal shenanigans, so don't worry about it I guess.
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#155I am in the process of attempting to have AI run my business. I'm actually making very good progress, but it's happening in pieces - I document some task and have it take over, or I give it something to handle while staying in the loop and providing feedback until it's in good shape. At this point it's handling large swathes of my operations, marketing and finance.
The experience of getting it there makes me pretty skeptical of the idea of a general business agent like this. First, because I still find myself having to review some categories of work for errors. These are decreasing over time, but they're still there. I fully believe that as models get better, errors will decline, but I am somewhat surprised to see some of the errors current models make given their intelligence. A common set is having Claude take some product photos and turn them into lifestyle ones using ChatGPT via Claude in Chrome. It's a pretty well-honed workflow at this point, but it'll still return images where the product is obviously not correct and seemingly not notice them.
Anyway, even if the agents are "perfect" in terms of their ability to execute tasks, there's still just an enormous amount of nuance and context in each business that takes a ton of time to convey. I've been at this for a couple of years now, and I'm still clarifying things. Now maybe an agent starting a business from scratch would have a better time since it's not inheriting all of this, but to have one run an existing business requires a very extended handoff, even if the agent is objectively amazing at all aspects of running a business.
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#156I wish people could read through the puffery more easily - this company does nothing except prompt frontier models and act as if they are discovering or inventing capabilities. Their previous announcement completely misappropriated the concept of autonomy with human in the loop regardless. The harness they alleged to have created here is a commodity and as byproduct of more capable and frontier models, there is not really anything they have contributed. Otherwise you wouldn't just see monotonically increasing scores with better models
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#157To what end?
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#158Does Pion run Andon Labs autonomously?
haha no they admit they built it because they cannot build a revenue generating business in the article. maybe THAT is what is good for the world!
They said that the current models could run a vending machine profitably, just not more complex things.
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#159I dont think this will take off. Sales will be always human to human (i think).
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#160Correct me if I'm wrong but a human will be able to cut through the noise with quirky advertising, new/novel distribution methods, etc. Most of the bottleneck in business isn't building the things or sourcing, it's mostly advertising/sales. These specifically require doing something unique or interesting. Sure, maybe LLMs can help with fulfillment or operations, but distribution still remains the hard part.
Not to mention CONNECTIONS, of which LLMs will start with 0 and never acquire more.