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AI Robots – When will they be in our homes

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Re: AI Robots – When will they be in our homes

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I stopped using my Roborock because it was such a pain to move everything out of the way (chairs etc.) so it could do a good job. Once I had a toddler, it was basically impossible to use.

Given that this is a much simpler problem than a fully humanoid robot, I'm not going to hold my breath for those.

Re: AI Robots – When will they be in our homes

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We've had AI robots in our homes as the article points out in the form of a Roomba or cleaning robot. Arguably before that, we've had robotics in the form of dishwasher and washing machines with a range of sensors and actuators, and a small amount of autonomy. We've had humanoids in the home already in the form of toys, I remember RoboSapien from the early 2000's [1].

I think the next advancement are robots like the MicroDuck [2], a little gimmicky, but demonstrating higher levels of intelligence that everybody can afford and collaborate on together. Once that has the ability to return to a docking station on low battery and recharge, you basically have a fully autonomous robot pet in your home.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RoboSapien

[2] https://pollen-robotics.com/microduck/

Re: AI Robots – When will they be in our homes

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The purpose of building humanoid robots is actually very simple: we want machines to feel lively and familiar. We are not the best creatures at performing every possible job, yet we are so interested in building humanoid robots. Instead, we could build specialized robots for each job and create ways for them to integrate seamlessly into an ecosystem that includes humans and other robots. A cooking robot, for example,…

Correct, when you think about it, all the "world is designed for humans" statements inherently assume that humans are still needed for the specific task to be automated.

For example, we bolt robot arms on tables, so that the work space is at a comfortable height for humans, but if the robot arm had the exact same intuition and intelligence as a human, you could just install it onto the floor. Suddenly the entire rationale, the table, which is the representative stand-in for "the world was designed for humans" is gone.

It's not that we necessarily need a specialized machine, it's that a generalized machine doesn't have to be humanoid.

Re: AI Robots – When will they be in our homes

#34

End of the decade is my prediction. We are there GPT Astra shows signs of it. Give it a few more generations. Now if AI robot with compute onboard the robot, that might be multiple decades away, I don’t see compute becoming that abundant and small anytime soon

Xpeng has an AI chip that they are putting in their robots (and in their cars). Their first robot walked off the production line last week. They want to be up and producing these things by the end of this year. These are intended for use in factories, not the home. But they seem pretty capable and I don't see a big technical gap with suitability for home usage. End of this decade seems reasonable as an expectation.

The real bottleneck is physical. Going from limited volume production to producing these by the millions and eventually billions is going to take some time and an enormous amount of resources and investment. I expect that might take a decade or two to ramp up. The first generations are probably going to be a bit of a toy for rich people as they will likely be a combination of expensive and not limited utility. But that could change rapidly.

Re: AI Robots – When will they be in our homes

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The purpose of building humanoid robots is actually very simple: we want machines to feel lively and familiar. We are not the best creatures at performing every possible job, yet we are so interested in building humanoid robots. Instead, we could build specialized robots for each job and create ways for them to integrate seamlessly into an ecosystem that includes humans and other robots. A cooking robot, for example,…

What sort of robot would you need to load and unload a dishwasher, collecting and storing the crockery etc.? What sort of robot would you need to load and unload the laundry, fold and store the clothes? The biggest reason for humanoid robots is that they will need to function in environments designed for humans and used by humans, sometimes even alongside the robots. This is very different to something like a factory…

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Re: AI Robots – When will they be in our homes

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The purpose of building humanoid robots is actually very simple: we want machines to feel lively and familiar. We are not the best creatures at performing every possible job, yet we are so interested in building humanoid robots. Instead, we could build specialized robots for each job and create ways for them to integrate seamlessly into an ecosystem that includes humans and other robots. A cooking robot, for example,…

What sort of robot would you need to load and unload a dishwasher, collecting and storing the crockery etc.? What sort of robot would you need to load and unload the laundry, fold and store the clothes? The biggest reason for humanoid robots is that they will need to function in environments designed for humans and used by humans, sometimes even alongside the robots. This is very different to something like a factory…

>What sort of robot would you need to load and unload a dishwasher, collecting and storing the crockery etc.? What sort of robot would you need to load and unload the laundry, fold and store the clothes?

https://www.inceptivemind.com/toyota-gantry-robot-hangs-ceil...

You might now counter that legs are easy and a solved problem, sure, I won't deny that, but the point is that you should try to think out of the box.

Re: AI Robots – When will they be in our homes

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I stopped using my Roborock because it was such a pain to move everything out of the way (chairs etc.) so it could do a good job. Once I had a toddler, it was basically impossible to use. Given that this is a much simpler problem than a fully humanoid robot, I'm not going to hold my breath for those.

Your Roborock is not the state of the art.

https://www.wired.com/review/matic-robot-vacuum/

Re: AI Robots – When will they be in our homes

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I love the idea of robot helpers but I don't love the idea of putting cameras all over my house and having ad companies surveil my intimate space. I do not think people are even recognizing the security ramifications of these devices. A picture of your key is enough to replicate it[0], and yet we're just going to put these devices everywhere? LLMs have been pretty easy to jailbreak too, you think thieves aren't just…

>and having ad companies surveil my intimate space

So don't buy one from an ad company then? There are home robots that run entirely on-device.

Re: AI Robots – When will they be in our homes

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The purpose of building humanoid robots is actually very simple: we want machines to feel lively and familiar. We are not the best creatures at performing every possible job, yet we are so interested in building humanoid robots. Instead, we could build specialized robots for each job and create ways for them to integrate seamlessly into an ecosystem that includes humans and other robots. A cooking robot, for example,…

The practical isn't being given due consideration here. We spend the enormous majority of our time in the built environment. Every single aspect of our homes and cities (from the size of doorways to the level of countertops) are designed around median human size and form. It's ludicrous to suggest these will change to accommodate the need of personal service robots - which already face a host of barriers to adoption, from privacy to cost to reliability etc. If there ever are to be general purpose domestic robots, they will absolutely be 'humaniform' to use Azimov's terminology. Sure a large hotel or hospital or facility can adapt itself to the shape and needs of more specialised machines, but we're not doing that in our homes. Nor are we likely to return to a jetson's vision of dozens of separate functionally distinct machines in the home. We've been doing precisely the opposite for decades - moving more distinct functions to combined devices as housing gets smaller and more expensive.
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