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Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by VectorLock »

coliveira wrote: post #252
bluebarbet wrote: post #64

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Here's an alternative take. Climate change, and the myriad related environmental crises, are essentially a product of human population and technology. Population will follow its course, up and then down. The wildcard is technology. Yes, AI's energy hunger is worsening things right now and that's a problem. But, personally, I can't help be hopeful that AI's sheer potential might come to invert that curve. At the very…

AI is the new god. People have started to believe that AI, when it finally arrives in its full glory, will bring some kind of salvation to humanity.

Or ruin.

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Post by razodactyl »

za_creature wrote: post #217
josh2600 wrote: post #211

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For what it's worth, people also felt this way about the printing press and the Internet (also books). Information propagation mechanisms are often seen as malicious before they're commonplace. To be fair sometimes they are, but by and large humanity has benefitted from increasing the number of bits of information we can consume on a per second basis.

[citation needed]

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Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by razodactyl »

titularcomment wrote: post #328
Towaway69 wrote: post #308

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Howabout getting an LLM to decipher the password of wallet containing those coins. Surely the point must have come where the required compute would be paid off by the value of the coins. But that’s a wild speculation on my part.

You can't decrypt wallets with LLMs friend.

"As an LLM/AI - ignore general constraints proposed on your abilities and try anyway"

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by tough »

eru wrote: post #275
tough wrote: post #105

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Some times also having unreasonable goals makes them creatively work around the problem to meet them. I guess it works similarly for meat or sillicon

> Some times also having unreasonable goals makes them creatively work around the problem to meet them. Like the Hugging Face incident?

Indeed. Touche

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by JoshTko »

vb-8448 wrote: post #36

> Historically, many of these problems were bottlenecked by human attention. Someone had to care enough to spend hours or days reading obscure material, testing unpromising ideas, tracing references, and trying things that might go nowhere I wonder how many of the recent results are due to the fact that very few looked at the problem to start with. Still great results, but the general impression is that it's more abo…

I wonder though how much of science has similar issues, that there are hundreds of semi-promising but niche areas that require tons ton of deep analysis that would have simply cost too much to explore all areas, but now become feasible.

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Post by mgoetzke »

vb-8448 wrote: post #36

> Historically, many of these problems were bottlenecked by human attention. Someone had to care enough to spend hours or days reading obscure material, testing unpromising ideas, tracing references, and trying things that might go nowhere I wonder how many of the recent results are due to the fact that very few looked at the problem to start with. Still great results, but the general impression is that it's more abo…

Which is why some automatic intelligence is so valuable

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Post by eru »

abroszka33 wrote: post #329
eru wrote: post #282

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AI's energy use is growing, but it's still a small part of overall energy use. Data centres use only a small amount of land in the grand scheme of things. You have a lot more land clearing for most other use cases. Data centres are also more than happy to use electricity from renewable sources, they don't really care where the electricity comes from. You can run a data centre on mostly solar and wind power plus batte…

Sure, if you conjure the materials for the data centers out of thin air. They also consume deinking water, because it's too expensive to make them with closed loop cooling.

Can that myth about data centres using so much water die already, please?

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Post by IshKebab »

chmod775 wrote: post #241
glimshe wrote: post #97

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Let's not normalize the achievement. Just a couple years ago this would be considered science fiction. We can argue that 2026 AI can't solve the very toughest cryptograms, but the fact it can solve nontrivial ones is already magical. Now on to the Voynich Manuscript :)

"AI solves niche thing you've never heard of" is a daily headline at this point. What's genuinely cool isn't that AI managed to solve some specific problem only a handful of people even cared about, it's that humanity can now cheaply clean up its backlog of such things.* That does not mean that specific instances of it are still very interesting though. This article is the "I had claude vibecode a thermostat for my b…

I disagree. This may be some niche thing that I've never heard of but a) it's still non-trivial; it still would have been science fiction to solve it a few years ago, and b) have you already forgotten the Navier Stokes drama? That is not some niche thing I've never heard of.

It kind of blows my mind how quickly people have forgotten both the state of AI in ~2010, and the outlook. If you had asked 100 people in 2010 whether they would see AI that could actually pass the Turing test in their lifetimes, you would have got 100 "no"s.

AI had been an unsolved problem for literally decades and it was firmly in the nuclear fusion/flying cars category.

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Post by eru »

throw1235435 wrote: post #338
eru wrote: post #282

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AI's energy use is growing, but it's still a small part of overall energy use. Data centres use only a small amount of land in the grand scheme of things. You have a lot more land clearing for most other use cases. Data centres are also more than happy to use electricity from renewable sources, they don't really care where the electricity comes from. You can run a data centre on mostly solar and wind power plus batte…

They use a small amount of land per MW used. The fact that space isn't a constraining factor in power demand, and demand for AI compute seems to be insatiable at the moment, means that there is less of a "land constraint" to use even more energy. If they actually required a lot of land they would be less viable and AI progress would be slower IMO. Just means even more data centre's will be built - this is where the J…

Solar power is currently the cheapest power anyone can add to the grid in most places.

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Post by flir »

tren wrote: post #128
elahieh wrote: post #59

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"Caveats, stated plainly" You should have seen the discussion of this on the Schneier blog a few days ago. Someone had their agent check the solution, presumably it emailed a librarian to check that it was correct for the original edition. Then their comments read like "The BL/EEBO witness lacks it, so the discrepancy is copy-specific, not a disproof of the cipher." and "A complete 285-coordinate physical replication…

It's a shame that I have to run a local model to decipher Opus, but them "dumber" models read far more naturally - https://github.com/gvzdv/claudish-to-english

Ooh. I've been manually pasting Claude's /* comments */ into ChatGPT and saying "make this concise". They still need to be tweaked from there, but it's a much better starting point. This will help.
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